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Old April 20th, 2007, 05:08 PM   #61
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RER A in 1970


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Old April 20th, 2007, 07:50 PM   #62
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I like those old trains, they have a classic look to them. I recently went on RER with some friends and they were amazed as they'd never seen such things as a double decker train
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Old April 20th, 2007, 07:58 PM   #63
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201?? extended the RER-E in a tunnel from Haussman to Pont Cardinet on to St. Nom-le-Bretchere
~ Pont Cardinet is 2km NE.of St. Lazare
2008 extended the RER-E, Villiers-sur Marne <> Tournan @ Gretz-Armianvilliers
2011 renovated RER-B to CdeG and created traffic separation for airport trains to increase reliability
2012? inaugurated “CDG-express” using the RER-B fast lines and a new line parallel to LGV jonction
~ using the space at Gare-de l’Est vacated by the suburban trains now using RER-E
- replaces the original plan on a dedicated line from Noisy-le-Sec <> Roissy-CDG IAP
~ in a tunnel, Noisy-le-Sec <> Aulnay-sous-Bois, two new tracks parallel to RER-B
~ use a new track beside the LGV-jonction to a shuttle terminal at Roissy-CDG TGV station
- the 1st French railway to be tendered as a Build, Operate and Maintain private operation in 2006
2016? re-opened the Grand Ceinture, Sartrouville < Epinay> Noisy-le-Sec for tangential services
~ lay two new tracks beside the Grande Ceinture freight ring line over the 28 km
~ public consultation in 2007 with DPU expected in 2008
- opened Epinay-sur-Seine <>Le Bourget by 2014
202?? re-opened and electrified the western Grand Ceinture, Acheres <> Versailles
- for Pontoise <> Melun tangential services via Versaille, Massy, Evry & Corbeil-Essones

I hope this is helpfull.
Dates with question marks are only approximate!
I would welcome more detailed information and correction of my mistakes.

Much of this information was gleaned from an story in Todays Railway augmented by notes which I have been keeping for many years.

The RER C will also be extended westbound from St Quentin to La Verrière or Coignières.
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Old April 20th, 2007, 10:27 PM   #64
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You are wrong !!!

This extension is only a project supported by the "EPAD" ("promoter" of La Defense district)...

The RER E should go in Versailles-RD, St Nom la Bretèche and Mantes la Jolie via La Défense (that's new since 11/2006)...

What it is written in the SDRIF (http://www.sdrif.com/IMG/pdf/SDRIF_Web-2.pdf)
But this SDRIF schema p 119 show an other thing. I don't understand
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Old April 21st, 2007, 03:01 AM   #65
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What's with this 'prolongement RER' between - as it seems - Chatelet and Gare du Nord? There already IS a RER connection between those two stations, isn't there? Or are they planning another parallel tunnel?
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Old April 21st, 2007, 04:36 AM   #66
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An parallel tunnel for the line D, because actually the line B and D run in the same track between Chatelet and Gare du Nord and this section is overcrowed.

For information : "Arc Express" or "Metropherique" is a subway ring in inner suburbs.
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Old April 21st, 2007, 06:03 AM   #67
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In My opinion I Think the RER is the Best Subway Service in the World.
Well, the network extension is impressive, but the tunnels under central paris are too crowded in peak hours, especially Auber-Châtelet Les Halles (line A) and Châtelet Les Halles-Saint Michel-Notre Dame (line B). I think that the best solution are new lines that avoid central Paris, the network design is too centralised, as everything in France!
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 11:15 AM   #68
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But this SDRIF schema p 119 show an other thing. I don't understand
The only thing this map shows is the RER E has to be extended from St Lazare to La Défense, but it doesn't say if a new tunnel will be built or if the "old tracks" will be used.

With quite the same need (connect La Defense to eastern Paris urban area via St Lazare), firstly one solution is much more cheaper than the other, I think you know which one...
Secondly, it depends if you want to create a new "vacuum cleaner" between the Est part of Paris and its CBD (like the RER A) of if you consider the 300.000 inhab. (same for the working population) of districts or cities like "new" Batignolles, Clichy, Levallois, Asnieres, Courbevoie need to be connect to the Est, as well...
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 02:07 PM   #69
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We need not take the old track of Saint Lazare but renovated the system.
St Lazare is good but the RER E will create a lot of probleme with other lines Saint Lazare system.

Batignole will be conected by the ligne 13bis at Saint Lazare.
and the Metropherique or Arc Express will be have the role to link Levallois Clichy at la Defense and Issy (I hope that Metropherique will be subway or RER owned by the RATP)

If RER E tack the track of Saint Lazare it will horrible, like RER B northern part, RER C and RER D Those RER are not very inefecient. (Delay du at other suburban trains, bad comunication very cheap renovated stations and maybe without elevators and without Contactless card borns.)

When I compare RER RATP with metro frequency, good information and RER SNCF with bad frequency and bad information. If you take the RER E at Magenta, it is indicated "quai 1, 2" and "quai 3, 4" but not "direction St Lazare" or "direction Chelles Gournay - Tournan"
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I am much more in favour of a new tunnel between Saint-Lazare and La Défense. It is much more expensive than taking the suburban tracks leaving Saint-Lazare train station, but it will really increase the transportation capacity to La Défense. The more transportation means and capacity towards the business center, the better.
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Batignole will be conected by the ligne 13bis at Saint Lazare.
How do you know that ? Another subway tunnel will be dug close to the present Ligne 13 ? It's only speculation ...


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If RER E tack the track of Saint Lazare it will horrible, like RER B northern part, RER C and RER D Those RER are not very inefecient. (Delay du at other suburban trains, bad comunication very cheap renovated stations and maybe without elevators and without Contactless card borns.)
The "Groupe II" (or to Versailles RD, St Nom) in St Lazare is quite efficient, its regularity rate is as good as the rate of the RER A or RER E. The "Groupe V" (or to Mantes via Poissy) has an average regularity rate...
If they need it, almost all railway stations have elevators...
If you pay for it, you will have it...


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When I compare RER RATP with metro frequency, good information and RER SNCF with bad frequency and bad information. If you take the RER E at Magenta, it is indicated "quai 1, 2" and "quai 3, 4" but not "direction St Lazare" or "direction Chelles Gournay - Tournan"
You're right the life is always white or black...
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Old April 24th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #72
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How do you know that ? Another subway tunnel will be dug close to the present Ligne 13 ? It's only speculation ...
This project is real but not official for a line 13bis with the Genevillier branch .

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The "Groupe II" (or to Versailles RD, St Nom) in St Lazare is quite efficient, its regularity rate is as good as the rate of the RER A or RER E. The "Groupe V" (or to Mantes via Poissy) has an average regularity rate...
If they need it, almost all railway stations have elevators...
If you pay for it, you will have it...
Actually you are right but I don't want the faboulous Saint Lazare system in the RER E.

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You're right the life is always white or black...
Yes, I affirm that SNCF don't know how manage the urban trains when I see the RER C, RER D, RER E and RER B northbound.
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Old November 12th, 2007, 01:23 AM   #73
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PARIS | RER & Suburban Rail

Welcome in the thread about the suburban rail network of Paris (RER and Transilien).

Paris has one of the largest suburban train network in Europe and in the world.
The network is 1,500km long and has 448 stations.
It is made of RER lines running underground in Central Paris and other suburban trains serving the surface platform of the main railway terminals.
There are 5 RER line and 8 suburban lines/networks based on the terminal stations.




Gare de Nord: H, K
Gare Saint Lazare: J, L
Gare Montparnasse: N
Gare de l'Est: P
Gare de Lyon: R
La Défense: U, The U line is the only Transilien that don't serve any station in Central Paris.

The suburban network is operated by two compagnies SNCF and RATP, the RATP operated most of the RER A (Poissy/Cergy branches excluded) and the central and southern part of the RER B.
The SNCF operate the rest of the network.

In 2011, Paris suburban rail network carried 1.167 billion passengers making it the busiest in Europe.

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Does the RER have any express services once in the suburbs?
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Old November 12th, 2007, 01:41 AM   #76
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The "automotrices Z" are olders than the MS 61...
These cars were built between 1939 and 1961 and were used firstly on the "ligne de Sceaux" and then for RER B services from 1970 to 1987. The MS61 have started to run on the "ligne de Sceaux" in 1967 (http://www.navily.net/matosrer.php)

In Denfert-Rochereau station (RER B). Pictures taken in 1991 during an exhibition.
First livery:









RER livery:







In 1977 in Denfert-Rochereau:



In 1985:


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RER A in 1970, at this time this part of the RER A was called St Germain line.




It was only called RER on December 9, 1977 with the joining of the Nation-Boissy (Vincenne line) and Auber-Saint-Germain-en-Laye (St Germain line) segments as the eastern and western halves of the RER Line A at the just-completed hub station of Châtelet - Les Halles in the heart of Paris. The southern Ligne de Sceaux was simultaneously extended from its terminus at Luxembourg to meet Line A at Châtelet – Les Halles, becoming the new Line B. The system of line letters was introduced to the public on this occasion, though it had been used internally at RATP and SNCF for some time already
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Does the RER have any express services once in the suburbs?
Yes it has.
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Yes it has.
Which lines, or all?
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ive spend one year in it

last year i live in orsay ville and study in nanterre universite,so......
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Which lines, or all?
Maybe all, I am not sure for the RER A, but I know that the RER B, C, D and E have express services.
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