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Old May 3rd, 2011, 05:16 AM   #801
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Old May 3rd, 2011, 08:47 PM   #802
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it's very nice indeed but the video shoud have been made during the rush hour. it would be much cooler then.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 04:08 AM   #803
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Ditto :P
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Old May 7th, 2011, 03:21 PM   #804
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This whole page seems to be dedicated to the RER C, so...

Neuilly - Porte Maillot






I did not say anything about this station before. But it looks utterly horrendous (like the rest of the core RER C stations). Judging by the brick wall in the second to last photo, was this one of the stations that used to be "outdoor" but then was covered over later?
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Old May 9th, 2011, 08:26 AM   #805
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Judging by the brick wall in the second to last photo, was this one of the stations that used to be "outdoor" but then was covered over later?

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BTW, the most part of this section (opened as RER C in the late 80s) is a part of the former "Ligne d'Auteuil" (Gare d'Auteuil-Boulogne <-> Gare de Pont Cardinet).
The ligne d'Auteuil was the last part of the Petite Ceinture still open till the mid 80s... I took that line several times when I was a child and I remember it very well because it looked like the old small railways between small villages in the countryside, and that was quite fun (tiny trains, tiny stations etc) !



Ligne d'Auteuil (1854-1985)




Here are the two closed stations of the former Ligne d'Auteuil:

Auteuil-Boulogne (1854-1985)
Early 80s

petiteceinture.org

Nowadays


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Passy-La Muette (1854-1985)
Early 80s

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Early 80s (between Passy-La Muette station and Avenue Henri Martin station)

wiki

Nowadays

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Here are the four stations of the former Ligne d'Auteuil closed in 1985 and reopened as RER C stations in 1988:

Avenue Henri Martin (1854-1985, reopened in 1988)
Nowadays

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Avenue Foch (1854-1985, reopened in 1988)
Early 80s

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Neuilly-Porte Maillot (1854-1985, reopened in 1988)
Early 80s

wiki

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Pereire-Levallois (1854-1985, reopened in 1988)
Early 80s

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wiki

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The section between Pereire and Pont Cardinet was closed in 1996.
From 1988 till 1996 there were shuttles between these two stations in order to make the junction from the RER C at Pereire with the suburban trains of the St-Lazare lines at Pont Cardinet.
BTW, originally, the Ligne d'Auteuil ended at St-Lazare (from 1854 to 1922).

Pont Cardinet (1854-1996 for this part of the station, the other part of the station is still in use)
Early 80s

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Mid 90s (Pont Cardinet <-> Pereire shuttle at Pont Cardinet station)

petiteceinture.org

petiteceinture.org

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Part still in use

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Fascinating history! I was unaware of this historical gem.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 12:00 AM   #807
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At the very least, they could get rid of that whole 'changing of driver' business when the train comes to the border between the RATP and SNCF jurisdictions.
When will they switch to automated driverless trains?
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Old May 10th, 2011, 03:54 AM   #808
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When will they switch to automated driverless trains?
The RER doesn't have signaling conducive to driverless operation.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 01:25 PM   #809
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There are serious discussion about the installation of ATO on the central section of the RER A.
SNCF also want to instal ATO on busy track section.

The current insfrasctruture of the RER wouldn't allow driverless train but it is possible to have automatic drive with a cab operator like what exist on most metro line.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 01:54 PM   #810
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There are serious discussion about the installation of ATO on the central section of the RER A.
SNCF also want to instal ATO on busy track section.

The current insfrasctruture of the RER wouldn't allow driverless train but it is possible to have automatic drive with a cab operator like what exist on most metro line.
That would be good. Although it would probably be pretty expensive to do this conversion.

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Thank you sir. I thought this was the case, just needed confirmation lol.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 07:01 PM   #811
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There are serious discussion about the installation of ATO on the central section of the RER A.
SNCF also want to instal ATO on busy track section.

The current insfrasctruture of the RER wouldn't allow driverless train but it is possible to have automatic drive with a cab operator like what exist on most metro line.
Interesting.

In the legal sense, is the RER counted as an urban railway or as a mainline railway?
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Old May 10th, 2011, 07:42 PM   #812
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I don't think that these terms exist in France in legal sense like in USA.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 10:12 AM   #813
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Interesting.

In the legal sense, is the RER counted as an urban railway or as a mainline railway?
Don't take this as a personal attack, but may I ask why Americans are so obsessed with pidgeon holing everything with hard and fast definitions? Is there something with the way transit is run or funded in America that is so dependent upon a systems being specifically classified?

Your question above is one such example and reading through these threads there is debate after debate on what systems are (take the debates about what is or isn't light rail, or metro etc), when at the end of the day in most countries a label is just that a label. What a system is and does more or less speaks for itself.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 06:56 AM   #814
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Is there something with the way transit is run or funded in America that is so dependent upon a systems being specifically classified?
Pretty much, yeah. There's a reason why America hasn't built or is planning a new Heavy Rail system (in a city without an existing system) in the Lower 48 states since Los Angeles's system opened in 1993. It's also why our new Light Rail lines tend to be commuter oriented and lack subway sections where they could use them.
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Don't take this as a personal attack, but may I ask why Americans are so obsessed with pidgeon holing everything with hard and fast definitions? Is there something with the way transit is run or funded in America that is so dependent upon a systems being specifically classified?

Your question above is one such example and reading through these threads there is debate after debate on what systems are (take the debates about what is or isn't light rail, or metro etc), when at the end of the day in most countries a label is just that a label. What a system is and does more or less speaks for itself.
Yeah, unfortunately. It also depends on what's politically and finacially feasible.

Also, some of the regulations in the US require that there be rigid classifications among systems.
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Aside from NYC, DC, and LA, I don't know any US city that is expanding their metro systems.
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Interesting.

In the legal sense, is the RER counted as an urban railway or as a mainline railway?
Not an easy answer. The RATP is funded by the Paris urban community,
so the RATP part of the RER is definitely urban rail. But RER also operates
on SNCF lines, some of which having a pure urban rail status too (like the
intra-muros section of RER C, or the Magenta-Haussman part of the RER E),
and some others used for RER, for long distance passenger traffic, and even
for freight. Operations-wise, all RER lines and all "Transilien" lines are funded
locally, not by the state. For the infrastructure, there is probably a large
grey area between the two.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #818
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Interesting.
In the legal sense, is the RER counted as an urban railway or as a mainline railway?
In Europe several types of railbound transit are not so strictly separated legally like in the US. And things work more and more so that these differences between rail types will disappear. A good example for it is RER itself. While inner city sections (especially RER A) work like a subway, a great part of RER network (basically surface sections) are totally bound to main lines and use the same infrastructure, sometimes even the very same tracks, together with regional railways or even freight.

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Old May 13th, 2011, 01:37 AM   #819
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Aside from NYC, DC, and LA, I don't know any US city that is expanding their metro systems.
BART in the San Francisco Bay Area has an extension under construction.
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I forget about BART.
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