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Old August 28th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #1381
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Here's another picture from Châtelet (my scanner is working again - found a power supply at the local dump ) :
http://imageshack.com/a/img191/8229/ny7s.jpg
(source : RATP)
I *love* the engineering involved with keeping the footpaths operational around that site! That must have cost a fortune.

Whereabouts on the site would that particular part be locaed?
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Old August 28th, 2013, 02:43 PM   #1382
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I *love* the engineering involved with keeping the footpaths operational around that site!
Yes. It's also interesting to see the structure of the building underneath the ground.
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Old August 28th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #1383
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Whereabouts on the site would that particular part be locaed?
Sorry, i don't know.

I think it's quite impossible to find from where this picture has been taken, because this place was totally renovated twice since the construction of the station...
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Old August 28th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #1384
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This is the intersection of Rue Berger and Rue Pierre Lescot (Place des Innocents).
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That is impressive. Thanks Minato! Question - is that the view looking north?
Yes.
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Old August 29th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #1385
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This is the intersection of Rue Berger and Rue Pierre Lescot (Place des Innocents).
Là, chapeau bas !

Edit : here are some other pictures from the RER A during construction.

Gare de Lyon, 1975 (Source : La Vie du Rail ; credits : M. Mougey)

The hole is 26 meters deep :
http://imageshack.com/a/img62/4762/h2vu.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img600/4386/kmy2.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img542/8599/6sx2.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img109/7686/3srv.jpg


Châtelet again in 1975 (Source : La Vie du Rail) :

http://imageshack.com/a/img22/4526/08kt.jpg

The hole was so big and the construction took so much time that it became the subject of jokes in France in the seventies. The expression "Trou des Halles" became common to describe something (most of the time costly and barely useful) that will never be finished.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 01:12 AM   #1386
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I can reconize the platforms in the last picture.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 03:10 PM   #1387
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Là, chapeau bas !

Edit : here are some other pictures from the RER A during construction.

Gare de Lyon, 1975 (Source : La Vie du Rail ; credits : M. Mougey)

The hole is 26 meters deep :
http://imageshack.com/a/img62/4762/h2vu.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img600/4386/kmy2.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img542/8599/6sx2.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img109/7686/3srv.jpg
Those are awesome... Thank you so much for these Vincent. Just something I wanted to clarify about RER Gare De Lyon...

The D platforms are on the level above the A platforms? And the Gare De Lyon station itself opened a few years after Chatelet?

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Châtelet again in 1975 (Source : La Vie du Rail) :

http://imageshack.com/a/img22/4526/08kt.jpg

The hole was so big and the construction took so much time that it became the subject of jokes in France in the seventies. The expression "Trou des Halles" became common to describe something (most of the time costly and barely useful) that will never be finished.
If I recall correctly, the Metro Line 4 was also re-routed to take advantage of the construction of the new complex? Trying to picture where in the hole the new metro line would have run...

Overall I would love to find some more RER construction pics myself, but wouldn't be sure where to start as my French is a little more limited than others!
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Old September 6th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #1388
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The D platforms are on the level above the A platforms? And the Gare De Lyon station itself opened a few years after Chatelet?
1 - Yes... today. But in the beginning, A end D were on the same level ; they also shared the same tunnel between Châtelet and Gare de Lyon ; what is now the RER D station was used by suburban trains (now Transilien ). The situation changed when a second tunnel dedicated to the Line D was built.

2 - Both stations opened in fact the same day (in 1977), they were located in the same section (the part between Auber and Nation).

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If I recall correctly, the Metro Line 4 was also re-routed to take advantage of the construction of the new complex? Trying to picture where in the hole the new metro line would have run...
I found a picture showing this part but its quality was absolutely terrible

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Old September 6th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #1389
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1 - Yes... today. But in the beginning, A end D were on the same level ; they also shared the same tunnel between Châtelet and Gare de Lyon ; what is now the RER D station was used by suburban trains (now Transilien ). The situation changed when a second tunnel dedicated to the Line D was built.
Has the suburban service before the RER D really shared track with the RER A?
I don't believe so, it was planned but this was never done.

The upper level where is the RER D was the terminal of the Gare de Lyon suburban trains but none of the train from the southeast suburbs reached Chatelet les Halles until 1995 and the opening of a new tunnel between Gare de Lyon and Chatelet les Halles.

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If I recall correctly, the Metro Line 4 was also re-routed to take advantage of the construction of the new complex? Trying to picture where in the hole the new metro line would have run...
Look at the right of the picture, I think that we can see a hole but I am not sure.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #1390
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Has the suburban service before the RER D really shared track with the RER A?
I don't believe so, it was planned but this was never done.
My mistake... You're right, it was only planned (There even was a commercial map of the network with the RER D using the tunnel ! It was short lived) but the capacity of the tunnel proved to be insufficient and this was shelved a few months before the opening.

Here's a map in 1990, the RER D stops at Châtelet :


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Old September 8th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #1391
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I've seen a few pics of the RER B Airport Line

It seems alright to use if you're only carrying yourself

BUT
If you're carrying luggage and baggage, the RER B Airport Line looks to be a hassle and severely inconvenient (unless you can bare with it).

Hence, I think that's the reason why the government of France is thinking about the CDG Express:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDG_Express
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Old September 9th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #1392
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The express service to the airport has been removed in rush hours, now all the trains are local.
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How to turn a station that's above ground... into an underground station :

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Henri-Martin station in 1972 ; it's now part of the VMI (formerly Petite Ceinture, now RER C).
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Worst idea ever for the RER!
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Worst idea ever for the RER!
Well... in fact i'm afraid you're right. The VMI is not a great achievement. Trains are rare, and very slow because the curves are too tight and the inclination in the tunnel excessive just before and after some stations, because of the stupid decision to make it an underground line.

But at least this line is not saturated ; and most of the stations are really beautiful.

Note that Minato Ku posted a picture of this station in its current state (page 24 of this thread).
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Yes, but the roof makes the station unbearibly HOT!
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The VMI is busy until Porte Maillot, most of the suburban commuters don't go further south.

I didn't know that the coverage of Avenue Henri-Martin station was done before the VMI works.
In 1972, Avenue Henri-Martin station was part of the Auteuil line, an urban train line between Saint Lazare and Auteuil - Boulogne.
The line closed in 1985 and the section between Pereire - Levallois and Avenue Henri Martin was send to the RER C in 1988, the infamous VMI (Vallée de Montmorency – Invalides) branch.

The Auteuil line was one of the last railway line with a third rail in Paris, the last was the Moulineaux line which closed in 1993 and was converted in tram (line T2).
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I didn't know that the coverage of Avenue Henri-Martin station was done before the VMI works.
The section between Porte Maillot and Avenue Foch was covered before WW II, and Henri Martin station in 1972 - in both case to make room for new buildings.

Still today, the unused remnants of the Petite Ceinture are a dream for some real estate agents

Hiking is one of my favorite hobbies, and i like to walk along the petite ceinture when i'm in Paris...

Here are some views of Cité Universitaire station (RER B) ; the station is interesting 'cause it's located in the middle of the Parc Montsouris ; the petite ceinture crosses the RER B there. Pictures are taken from the park.

The letter "M" stands for "Métro" because the line was exploited by the CMP, even if it wasn't part of the subway network ; when i was young, some old people still called this line "métro" even after the creation of the RER :
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Do you see the blue chairs on the right ?
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That's where the petite ceinture crosses the RER B :
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The tracks of the RER are just above the portal.

These pictures were taken during a ramble in may 2013 between Pont du Garigliano and Bercy.
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RER trains have air-conditioning units?

I know new Z50000 Francilien trains have air-conditioning, but I believe old double-deckers units don't have ones.
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RER stocks with air-conditioning.
-MI 79 refurbished (RER B)
-Z 20900 the most recent Z 2N built between 2001 and 2004 (RER C)
-MI 2N Alto (RER A)
-MI 09 (RER A)
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Tangentielle Nord work at Le Bourget.
In connection with the RER B (metro lines 7, 16 and 17 in a later future), Le Bourget will be the busiest station on the Tangentielle Nord.
I have taken the pictures from the platform of the RER B.



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