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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #1441
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Old October 26th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #1442
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Old October 28th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #1443
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The first class was abolished in 1999.
What did the first class interiors look like in 1990s?
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Exactly like the second class.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 10:19 PM   #1445
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Extension plan RER
  • RER D, new Barreau de Gonesse branch between Villiers-le-Bel - Gonesse - Arnouville and Parc des Expositions.
  • RER E, western extension ot Mantes la Jolie.

Before 2030
  • RER B/D, new tunnel between Châtelet-Les Halles and Gare du Nord.
  • RER C, two new tracks between inner Paris and Juvisy, this sections will have six tracks.
  • RER E, eastern extension to Val-Bréon.

After 2030
  • RER B, northern extension to Saint-Mard.
  • RER C, southwestern extension to Coignières.
  • RER E, eastern extension to Meaux.

RER and suburban train ridership in 2012

SNCF RER and suburban train: 713 million (+2.15%)
RATP RER: 477 million (+1.71%)
Total suburban rail network: 1,190 million (+1.97%)
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Old November 1st, 2013, 10:40 PM   #1446
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Thanks for the data. Some comments:

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RER D, new Barreau de Gonesse branch between Villiers-le-Bel - Gonesse - Arnouville and Parc des Expositions.
That´s the "triangle de Gonesse", isn´t it? I thought it had been delayed.

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RER E, western extension ot Mantes la Jolie.
When will works start on the section Haussmann-Nanterre?
Will it open in one go?

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Before 2030

RER B/D, new tunnel between Châtelet-Les Halles and Gare du Nord.
About time!!
It should have been built years ago.


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RER C, two new tracks between inner Paris and Juvisy, this sections will have six tracks.
Will they have to demolish anything to do it?

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RER E, eastern extension to Val-Bréon.
Will this enable a further extension to Coulommiers?

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After 2030

RER B, northern extension to Saint-Mard.
Dammartin-Juilly-St Mard? Why not Crépy-en-Valois?

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RER C, southwestern extension to Coignières.
Coignières? Why not Rambouillet?

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RER E, eastern extension to Meaux.
Why not now? What keeps RER E from being extended to Meaux?
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Old November 1st, 2013, 10:54 PM   #1447
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What made some of the suburban railways into RER rather than Transilien?

Is it possible to turn some Transilien lines into RER?

Are there any plans to do so?
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What made some of the suburban railways into RER rather than Transilien?
Transilien is the brand of Sncf for commuter rail. RER is part of it, except some parts of the RER A and RER B that are run by the RATP (the company that runs the Paris metro).

In exploitation terms, "Transilien" are the lines that end up in one of the Paris termini (Gare du Nord, Gare de l´Est, St Lazare, Gare de Lyon, Montparnasse), and don´t go into (or through) Châtelet-Les Halles, Haussmann-St Lazare, nor St Michel-Nôtre Dame.

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Is it possible to turn some Transilien lines into RER?
Yes and no.
RER E was created by diverting some Transilien services into the Haussmann-St Lazare tunnel. And in the future, RER E will take over Transilien current services for its extensions to Mantes-la-Jolie. But I don´t think all of the Transilien services will become RER in the future. Maybe some more, but not all.

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RER E will take over Transilien between Nanterre and Mantes-la-Jolie.
And some other short extensions of RER E, RER C, and RER B will do, too.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 01:00 AM   #1449
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That´s the "triangle de Gonesse", isn´t it? I thought it had been delayed.
I haven"t heard anything about delay in this project.

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When will works start on the section Haussmann-Nanterre?
Will it open in one go?
Normally, it will open in 2020.

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Will they have to demolish anything to do it?
Expect maybe some minor buildings, there is enouth space to built two new tracks in this way.

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Will this enable a further extension to Coulommiers?
I don't think that the RER e will go top Coulommier, this is quite far.
The trip is already long enough to Tournan.

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Dammartin-Juilly-St Mard? Why not Crépy-en-Valois?
Because this is far.
Transilien K train from Gare du Nord are sufficient and much faster than the RER B.

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Coignières? Why not Rambouillet?
Same as the previous case.
Many RER lines are already a mess, increasing to much the size will just aggravate problems.
RER C has already a lack of capacity on its old central tunnel.
Giving the route to Rambouillet to the RER C will likely downgrade the service.

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Why not now? What keeps RER E from being extended to Meaux?
Lack of capacity.
Today, giving the Meaux service to the RER E would increase the time traval to Central Paris.
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I haven"t heard anything about delay in this project.
I thought it had been delayed, or even scrapped.
I think I´d read it in a report that said that the Government should stop building more new lines before 2030.

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Normally, it will open in 2020.
When should works start?
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Old November 4th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #1451
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Old November 4th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #1452
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What made some of the suburban railways into RER rather than Transilien?

Is it possible to turn some Transilien lines into RER?

Are there any plans to do so?
The whole idea of RER was to get suburban lines to run through the city rather than terminate. So the built a large tunnel, from La Defense to Gare de Lyon and started to join and through run some of the suburban lines.

This has then been expanded over time with the line nprth south from Gare Du Nord through Châtelet Les Halles, it also branches towards Gare de Lyon. They have also built the line along the river plus RER E, though RER E is an exception to the rule that trains then through run as it terminates at Haussmann St-Lazare. The long term plan of course is for RER E to keep going towards La Defense where it will take over part of what is RER A, so guess it is a work in progress with a 15 year break in between.
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From my understanding, funds ran out to continue the RER E westward, but now since there's funding again, they're getting the next phase of the RER E built.
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The whole idea of RER was to get suburban lines to run through the city rather than terminate. So the built a large tunnel, from La Defense to Gare de Lyon and started to join and through run some of the suburban lines.

This has then been expanded over time with the line nprth south from Gare Du Nord through Châtelet Les Halles, it also branches towards Gare de Lyon. They have also built the line along the river plus RER E, though RER E is an exception to the rule that trains then through run as it terminates at Haussmann St-Lazare. The long term plan of course is for RER E to keep going towards La Defense where it will take over part of what is RER A, so guess it is a work in progress with a 15 year break in between.
If what you call "the line along the river" is RER C, it was built long before the creation of said RER line, most of it was built before the metro was even built. RER E will not take over part of RER A, even though this could happen (RER A from Poissy branch routed through RER E).
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Not so long before the metro, those were built in 1900 for the world's fair. (just few months before the first line of the metro)
Both Invalides (west) and Gare d'Orsay (east) terminals opened in 1900.
The two stations were along the Seine river but were not connected and were built and operated by two different train companies.

The major work for the RER C was the construction of a tunnel between Invalides and Gare d'Orsay.
This 1 km tunnel opened in 1979, thus creating an interconnection between the suburban services of Invalides and the suburban services of Orsay/Austerlitz.
The name of the project was "Transversale Rive Gauche" (Left bank transversal), it is only in 1980 that it became officially the RER C.
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If what you call "the line along the river" is RER C, it was built long before the creation of said RER line, most of it was built before the metro was even built. RER E will not take over part of RER A, even though this could happen (RER A from Poissy branch routed through RER E).
Yes that is the line I am referring to. I was talking at a very high level of course rather than specific details, but until it became RER it was not a complete through line. As Minato ku said they built a 1km tunnel to connect them up and hence RER A was born.
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I wonder if there would be maps of what the rail system looked like before the inception of the RER.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #1458
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Hey, congratz on becoming a mod HARTride! (Hopefully this is NOT coming years late like when I congratulated Minato_ku. )
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Thank you very much! Though I will not be moderating this particular forum, I will be moderating the Tampa/St. Pete forums, which discusses the area where I currently live.
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Congratulation as well.
If I find a such map, I will try to post it.
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