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Old December 8th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #1481
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Before the second world war, there were a big difference of comfort between first and second class.
After the second world war, for the RATP network the sole difference was the color of the seats and I think that this difference of seat color has disappeared during the 1980's.
For the SNCF network, I don't know, I don't think there were a difference.
The seats in most of the SNCF trainsets were wider in first class (like in the intercity trains). Because of this, first class cars were four-abreast seating, and second class cars were five-abreast (as an exemple, here are plans of a Z6400 and a two level trailer) :



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Old December 11th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #1483
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The seats in most of the SNCF trainsets were wider in first class (like in the intercity trains). Because of this, first class cars were four-abreast seating, and second class cars were five-abreast (as an exemple, here are plans of a Z6400 and a two level trailer) :
How long did first class with 4 abreast seating against 5 abreast in second class run on Transilien lines?
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Old December 11th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #1484
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I think this configuration still exists in old unrefurbished trains.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #1485
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Ile-de-France to fund Transilien train order
Thursday, 12 December 2013 09:28

THE BOARD of Ile-de-France transport authority Stif has voted to fund the acquisition of 91 new Bombardier trains for the Paris area Transilien suburban network as part of its €787m 2014 budget, which was announced on December 11.

Stif plans to order 43 class Z 50000 Francilien single-deck emus, exercising an option from the original contract for 172 trains signed with Bombardier in 2006, and these will be supplied as two batches of 112m and 94m-long trains. The longer trains will be deployed on Line H from Creil to Pontoise (six units) and Line K from Paris to Crépy (18 units) by December 2016, while the shorter trains will be introduced by December 2017 on Line L services from Paris St Lazare to Versailles-Rive-Droit.

The 112m-long trains will seat 470 passengers, while the 94m-long sets will seat 380.

The remaining 48 trains will be Régio 2N double-deck emus, which will enter service on Line R from Paris Gare du Lyon to Melun by December 2018. These 110m-long trains will be a development of the class Z 55500 currently being delivered to French National Railways (SNCF) and each set will seat up to 600 passengers.

The total value of the contract will be around €900m, with the cost of the order split equally between SNCF and Stif.
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Old December 14th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #1486
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Interesting find today. The Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) recently completed a reconstruction project along the southernmost portion of its Red Line "El" (metro). They posted a comparison chart of how their reconstructed Red Line segment shapes up against other systems with similar lines/segments.

The CTA compared its Red Line south segment to segments of the Washington DC Metro, Los Angeles Metro, NYC Subway (Line 2), a segment of the London Overground, and a segment of the RER B.

http://www.transitchicago.com/assets...ages/rlsc.html
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Old December 15th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #1487
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Hi guys, today is the opening of new RER station Cteteil-Pompadour with existing interchange with TVM and 393 BRT lines. Congratulations to all citizens of Ile-de-France!
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Old December 15th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #1488
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Créteil-Pompadour
The station is pretty simple, a simple evelated box with an island platform.

The TVM and 393 bus stop





The footbridge connecting the RER station with bus stop










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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #1489
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Really simple station, but bridge is so thin that it looks like sceleton
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Old December 18th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #1490
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Shall any new Transilien trains have first class seats?
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Old December 18th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #1492
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Highly doubt it, as the split classes on trains are long gone.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #1493
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Saw on a posting on Symbioz that the countdown clocks have changed. On LCD displays, the exact time of arrival is no longer displayed. Rather, a minute countdown clock (like the Paris Metro) is displayed for each departure.

http://www.symbioz.net/forum/ouragan...php?topic=5811
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Old December 19th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #1494
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It was already the case in Gare du Nord RER station.
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Shall any new Transilien trains have first class seats?
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Old December 29th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #1495
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Old January 7th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #1496
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Issy - Val de Seine.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #1497
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Loose bolts to blame for Brétigny derailment
10 Jan 2014







FRANCE: On January 10 land transport accident investigation bureau BEA-TT published its interim report on the derailment which had taken place on July 12 2013 at Brétigny-sur-Orge. The last four cars of an SNCF Paris - Limoges inter-city service had left the track when entering the station from the north, killing seven people and injuring a further 32.

BEA-TT says that the derailment was caused by a fishplate obstructing the flangeway of an oblique crossing forming part of a double slip. Under the weight of the train travelling at 137 km/h, the fishplate had pivoted around the first of four bolts meant to hold it in place, the three others having come loose.

The most likely cause of the bolts coming loose, says BEA-TT, were stresses caused by cracking in the cast steel crossing. This had caused the head of the third bolt to break off and the others to fail, one becoming unscrewed and the heads of the other two also sheering off.

BEA-TT makes three recommendations to SNCF which undertakes maintenance on behalf of infrastructure manager RFF. The first is that overall expertise in bolted track joints should be improved, including technical specifications and the quality of components, and that specifications for tightening bolts should be observed during installation and maintenance.

Secondly, regulations specifying measures to be taken when defects are detected should be clarified and reinforced, setting out the maximum timescale allowed for repairs to be undertaken. The final recommendation says that switches and crossings requiring a higher level of maintenance or early renewal should be identified, and that such requirements are considered in 'reliable and auditable' manner when managing maintenance activities.

In a joint statement, SNCF and RFF said that the recommendations of the report would be fully implemented, without waiting for the ongoing judicial investigation into the Brétigny accident to reach its conclusion. The recommendations would enable the safety of the railway system to be improved, they said.
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Full report from BEA TT availalble in FRench here:
http://www.bea-tt.equipement.gouv.fr...orge-r198.html

Interesting and very complex analysis of loose bolts creating such a tragedy.
Progress will come from this accident where unfortunately 7 people loose their lives.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 11:05 PM   #1499
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A good news, the idea to close a line during several months instead of only during the night and weekend to increase the speed of the renovation is more and more popular.
In the past the STIF (transport organisation authority of Paris region) refused to allow long closure despite the numerous requests of the SNCF and RFF.

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Jean-Paul Huchon agree to stop the traffic of some suburban lines in order to accelerate the renovation.
Jean-Paul Huchon, President of the Ile-de-France region and of the regional transport union, said he was "ready", Thursday, January 9, 2014, to authorize the full stop of traffic of some commuter trains to accelerate the renovation of lines.

"I'm ready, where necessary, to allow the interruption of traffic for the work of improvement be accelerated and completed, "said in his vows Huchon, president of the Syndicat des transports d'Ile-de-France (STIF), transit authority in the region.

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Executive Director of SNCF Transilien Bénédicte Tilloy, also defended the "break" in the manner of conducting the work in the Île-de-France, asking to "stop doing work with a spoon," given the magnitude of sites.
The idea to completely stop a line to achieve faster work rather than perform night and weekend, had already been advanced to the Stif, at a hearing in November 2013 pf Mr Pepy, Ms. Tilloy and Jacques Rapoport, President of RFF (infrastructure manager).
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That's good. The Chicago CTA just did this type of closure with its Red Line South (metro), closing the entire segment for five months, instead of spreading the work out across four years as night/weekend only work. Doing a complete closure for those five months have done wonders for this rail line and I strongly think it's the best option to rehab and reconstruct many of Paris' aging rail lines. In many cases, there is also a cost savings to doing the work all at once during a complete closure, instead of spreading the work out longer with night/weekend only work.

With this said, they'd better have some good bus bridge service in place during these closures. The CTA did pretty well with implementing additional bus services during the closure of the Red Line South.
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