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Old February 10th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #81
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One curiosity from CZ:

D1 highway had been approved at the end of 1938. Cannot believe it..? Yes, it's true. Unfortunately this highway have not been completed till now.
But plans were changed several times. So the present D1 is not exactly the same D1 as planned in 1938. On the other hand, on this example we can clearly see how socialism slowed down development in our countries.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 11:20 PM   #82
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But plans were changed several times. So the present D1 is not exactly the same D1 as planned in 1938. On the other hand, on this example we can clearly see how socialism slowed down development in our countries.
I hope now we have the final version.

This is the 1938's plan (from www.ceskedalnice.cz):

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Old February 10th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #83
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I hope now we have the final version.

This is the 1938's plan (from www.ceskedalnice.cz):
I hope so. Although some motorway/expressway via Drietoma/Starý Hrozenkov won't be bad.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 03:12 PM   #84
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We have to build a mountain first here to construct a tunnel
hahaha, lol
i still dont get what the hell a totso is. i read the explanation but it didnt really lighten up my thick brain, pls help
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Old February 11th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #85
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TOTSO= Turn Off To Stay On.

It means you have to turn off at an interchange to follow the same road number. So when the same road number is not the through lanes, but when you have to exit into another direction.

For instance, the Dutch A50 near Arnhem has 2 TOTSO's, because it runs concurrent with the A12 for like 7 km. You have to exit the A12 to follow the A50.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 04:35 PM   #86
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help with a picture:

this is a picture from german A5 southbound. as you can see, you have to take the exit to stay on the A5, otherwise you land on the A67.



same for the A67. If you stay on the main direction, you land on the A5



the same for both highways northbound:
this one is from A67, not from A5

and this is A5


man, this A67...this picture here is from A6 westbound, where you leave the exit to stay on the roadnumber 6

A6 eastbound

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Old February 11th, 2008, 04:47 PM   #87
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Why is there no uniform arrow system in Germany? I see different kind of arrows in the different Bundesländer.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #88
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Hessen is special, they have their own way All signs I posted above are in Hessen.
the down arrows are old, most of them are replaced, and the few left ones will be replaced in the future I guess.
Long and mixed arrows are forbidden on Hessen's overhead signs. And it looks nicer IMO.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #89
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FUTURE OF US HIGHWAYS by Disney, 1958

I dont know where to post exactly so I post this here:



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An excerpt from the 1958 "Disneyland" TV Show episode entitled "Magic Highway USA". In this last part of the show, an exploration into possible future Transportation technologies is made. It's hard to believe how little we've accomplished on this front since 1958, and how limited the scope for imagining such future technologies has become. Witness an artifact from a time where the future was greeted with optimism. Note the striking animation style here, achieved with fairly limited animation and spectacular layouts
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Old February 11th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #90
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now you gave so good explanation of TOTSO while i understand it allready. when i asked what TOTSO was about 3 months ago nobody couldn't explain me well, so i figured it out by myself few weeks ago :E

btw, we don't have any TOTSO's in Croatia and i really like it a lot because they are confusing me
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Old February 11th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #91
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Old February 11th, 2008, 09:46 PM   #92
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From his private parking place, father will probably have to walk to his desk... What a shame...

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@ X-type: As far as i remember, in the Dutch thread Jeroen explained, what TOTSO is.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 09:52 PM   #93
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now you gave so good explanation of TOTSO while i understand it allready. when i asked what TOTSO was about 3 months ago nobody couldn't explain me well, so i figured it out by myself few weeks ago :E

btw, we don't have any TOTSO's in Croatia and i really like it a lot because they are confusing me
if you never leave the main direction in both directions, so, never follow a totso, you would make funny routes

green: A9 Munich - Nuremberg; A3 Nuremberg - Frankfurt - Cologne - Oberhausen; A2 Oberhausen - Dortmund - Hannover - Potsdam; A10 Potsdam - Berlin
red: A255 Hamburg; A1 Hamburg; A7 Hamburg - Hannover - Kassel - Kirchheim; A5 Kirchheim - Gießen - Frankfurt - Darmstadt; A67 Darmstadt - Viernheim; A6 Viernheim - Mannheim - Heilbronn; A81 Heilbronn - Stuttgart


A1 and A62 and A8 from Daun to Saarlouis via Trier, Pirmasens, Neunkirchen



Hm...I guess the alternative Route from Munich to Berlin is the real longest highway in Germany And it is mostly 3+3. Only between Nuremberg and Frankfurt and a part near Dortmund is only 2+2 or 2+3 and it is also 4+4 or 4+3 near Munich, Frankfurt and Cologne. Hm...that must be THE german highway

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@ X-type: As far as i remember, in the Dutch thread Jeroen explained, what TOTSO is.
yeah, but i didn't understant him at all
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Old February 12th, 2008, 01:42 PM   #95
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There is an interesting article here (unfortunately in czech only...). Brief summary:

1.2 milion people fall victim to car accidents every single year, 3287 daily, 1 dead every 30 seconds
50 milions people is injured every year
30 milions people were killed on the road already

The very first person was killed by car in 1896.

Number of killed per 100 000 citizens:
Greece 15,0
USA 14,7
Poland 14,3
Slovenia 12,9
Hungary 12,7
CZ 12,6
Portugal 11,8
Belgia 10,4
Spain 10,2
Italy 9,7
Ireland 9,3
Austria 9,3
Canada 9,1
France 8,8
Finland 7,2
Germany 6,5
Japan 6,2
Denmark 6,1
UK 5,5
Switzerland 5,5
Norway 4,9
Sveden 4,9
the Netherlands 4,6


It took me 5 minutes to write this post = 10
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Old February 12th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #96
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We are so safe Despite being one of the busiest countries.

Though, it has also to do with geography and weather conditions. Like in the United States, winter weather can be much more harsh than in the Netherlands, naturally leading to more traffic deaths in snowstorms, ice, sleet, slush etc. Conditions which are rare in the Netherlands.
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You are safe, bacause you spend your time in traffic jams driving 20 km/h.

But, being honest, it is a matter of many conditions: safe roads and cars, weather, good manners ... .
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Nah Germany is also a safe country while half the motorways have no speed limit, and speed limits on other roads are 20 - 40km/h higher than in the Netherlands. Driven speeds do not say too much about the overall traffic safety, it has more to do with how it's driven, and what the local circumstances are.
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Nah Germany is also a safe country while half the motorways have no speed limit, and speed limits on other roads are 20 - 40km/h higher than in the Netherlands. Driven speeds do not say too much about the overall traffic safety, it has more to do with how it's driven, and what the local circumstances are.
Right, one cannot say that one state is safer then another just because of a single reason. There are many of reasons: traffic density, fleet condition, road condition, weather, driving habbits...

In CZ, the traffic density is rising quickly and people are not used to... young guys are purchasing old BMWs with powerful engines that they are not able to drive safely etc.
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Damn, driving in south and east europe seems lethal.
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