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Old February 12th, 2008, 04:10 PM   #101
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In Eastern Europe maybe because of the lack of motorways. Motorways are generally much safer than other roads, despite recieving much more traffic. Also, in Eastern Europe, winter weather is more harsh than in western Europe, so maybe more slippery conditions on the roads that can cause traffic deaths. Maybe drunk driving is also an issue here, though this may also apply to Southern Europe.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #102
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I'd say that mass motorization is new here,and everyone gets a licence if can drive on rural roads and in small villages. Those guys are very dangerous in cities,while the people learning in big cities tend to be impatient,and if you mix the 2...

A friend of mine told me a "funny" story about this:
A friend of her learned to drive in Debrecen,and when that friend first drove in Budapest,she started crying and became irritated(jumped out of the car,started shouting,etc) because of the traffic here.

On the other hand,many see the car as the ultimate freedom. They think traffic rules are for loosers.Those people dont yield to others(both pedestrians and other drivers,and especially public transport),dont obey speed limits and zones off-limit for cars(bus-bay,emergency lane,striped areas).

Mix the guy who learned in a small city and obeys rules with that who sees red as yellow,and you've got the answer you're looking for.
And of course,the mobile phone...I've read a police officer's story that they saw a woman talking on the phone while driving on the lower embankment. They pursued her,flashed,switched the lights/sound on...but nothing. After some minutes,the car stopped,and when the officers asked the driver why didnt she stopped,she said:
"Sorry,I didnt hear/see you,I was talking on the phone"...
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Old February 12th, 2008, 04:46 PM   #103
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So maybe there should be some more enforcing of road rules by the police. Those things you said also occur in the Netherlands, but on a marginal scale. And drivers education is pretty hard, my roommate has failed the exam 3 times already.

But not to me, i got my license 2 years ago within one time (theory and practice exams).
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Old February 12th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #104
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So maybe there should be some more enforcing of road rules by the police. Those things you said also occur in the Netherlands, but on a marginal scale. And drivers education is pretty hard, my roommate has failed the exam 3 times already.

But not to me, i got my license 2 years ago within one time (theory and practice exams).
The police fails to realize that if they would tow away all vehicles that block traffic/violate rules,then the police would have more money than the government...

I've failed on the 1st field exam..I almost turned out before an other car,because I couldnt see it. the 2nd went very smoothly.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:11 PM   #105
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Maybe that's also the reason why Belgium scores so badly on this list, compared to its neighbours. You're allowed to drive there, while you even haven't got a driving licence yet...
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Old February 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #106
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Some pics about what I've told you...

















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Old February 12th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #107
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the problem here is that we don't have many motorways yet (at least not such dense net like NL od D for instance). so for many people driving at motorway is adventure. when they come to motorway these few times in year the act like this: 1) get wild because it's motorway and you can be wild there or 2) don't know how to drive and get scared
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Old February 12th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #108
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Damn, driving in south and east europe seems lethal.
If 15 killed per 100,000 is lethal...
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Old February 13th, 2008, 12:12 AM   #109
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here is older, but more worldwide statistic:

HEALTH RISK = Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants
TRAFFIC RISK = Road fatalities per 100,000 motor vehicles

IRTAD YEAR FATALITIES HEALTH RISK TRAFFIC RISK
Australia 2000 1818 9.5 15.3
Austria 2000 976 12.0 19.1
Belgium 2000 1470 14.2 25.6
Canada 1999 2972 9.7 16.6
Czech Republic 2000 1486 14.5 31.8
Denmark 2000 498 9.3 20.7
Finland 2000 396 7.7 15.9
France 2000 8079 13.6 23.6
Germany 1999 7503 9.1 14.6
Greece 2000 2116 20.2 41.8
Hungary 2000 1200 11.9 44.3
Iceland 2000 32 11.3 17.6
Ireland 2000 415 11.0 24.6
Italy 2000 6410 11.1 16.9
Japan 2000 10403 8.2 13.2
Luxemburg 2000 76 17.5 23.8
Netherlands 2000 1082 6.8 13.6
New Zealand 2000 462 12.1 17.8
Norway 2000 341 7.7 13.4
Poland 2000 6294 16.3 44.6
Portugal 2000 1860 19.6 23.5
Republic of Korea 2000 10236 21.8 78.4
Spain 2000 5776 14.6 24.8
Sweden 2000 591 6.7 12.5
Switzerland 2000 592 8.3 12.9
Turkey 2000 5123 7.5 53.6
United Kingdom 2000 3580 6.0 12.1
USA 2000 41821 15.2 19.3
TOTAL/AVERAGE 123608 12.2 20.6

FORMER USSR YEAR FATALITIES HEALTH RISK TRAFFIC RISK
Armenia 2000 214 6.4 891.7
Azerbaijan 2000 596 9.3 133.9
Belarus 2000 1594 16.0 79.7
Estonia 2000 204 14.9 36.4
Georgia 2000 500 11.0 156.7
Kazakhstan 1999 2147 14.5 154.2
Kyrgyzstan 1999 585 12.5 281.3
Latvia 2000 588 24.9 84.5
Lithuania 2000 641 17.4 49.1
Russia 2000 29594 20.4 95.3
Tajikistan 2000 406 6.2 406.0
Ukraine 2000 5185 10.6 51.0
FORMER USSR TOTAL 42254 16.8 87.8
FORMER EASTERN BLOC YEAR FATALITIES HEALTH RISK TRAFFIC RISK
Bulgaria 2000 1012 12.4 36.7
Croatia 2000 655 14.4 49.7
Moldova 1999 395 10.8 81.4
Romania 2000 2499 11.1 63.4
Slovakia 2000 628 11.6 42.3
Slovenia 2000 313 15.7 33.3
FORMER EASTERN BLOC
TOTAL 5502 11.9 50.3

AFRICA YEAR FATALITIES HEALTH RISK TRAFFIC RISK
Botswana 1999 495 30.7 423.1
Ethiopia 1999 1693 2.6 1553.2
Kenya 2000 2827 9.2 706.8
Lesotho 1999 290 13.5 783.8
Morocco 2000 3627 12.8 229.4
Namibia 1999 292 16.5 194.7
South Africa 1998 9068 20.9 142.3
Tanzania 2000 1737 4.9 1158
Tunisia 1999 1444 14.9 184.7
Uganda 2000 1678 7.2 912
AFRICA TOTAL 23151 9.6 234.3

LATIN AMERICA YEAR FATALITIES HEALTH RISK TRAFFIC RISK
Brazil 1998 5305 3.2 15.7
Chile 2000 1698 11.2 81.6
Colombia 1999 7006 16.8 268.1
Costa Rica 2000 336 9.1 53.4
Dominican Republic 1998 1683 19.9 336.6
Ecuador 1999 1177 9.5 188.6
Peru 1998 3323 13.2 298.3
LATIN AMERICA TOTAL 20528 7.5 49.7

ASIA YEAR FATALITIES HEALTH RISK TRAFFIC RISK
Bangladesh 1999 3598 2.8 1249.3
Cambodia 1999 196 1.6 9.5
China 1999 83529 6.6 146.2
India 1998 62721 6.2 161.8
Malaysia 2000 6029 27.7 56.9
Mongolia 2000 338 14.0 315.9
Philippines 2000 859 1.1 23.2
Taiwan 2000 3303 14.9 19.5
ASIA TOTAL 160573 6.3 123.9

WORLD TOTAL 375616 8.6 44.8
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Old February 13th, 2008, 12:45 AM   #110
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^ Nice figures (with some geographic/political mistakes though ).
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Old February 13th, 2008, 04:18 AM   #111
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Maybe that's also the reason why Belgium scores so badly on this list, compared to its neighbours. You're allowed to drive there, while you even haven't got a driving licence yet...
Do you mean that you can drive with an accompanying driver when you pass a theory test? This is how it works in Canada, although the statistics are much better here than in Belgium. I've driven for almost 3 years before passing my practical test, although I still have to do another test because of the graduated licensing system here.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 12:17 PM   #112
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^ I've legally ravaged on roads since the day I turned 16... And I wasnt even allowed to take the theory test until I turned 18...

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Old February 13th, 2008, 01:02 PM   #113
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Do you mean that you can drive with an accompanying driver when you pass a theory test?
Yes, and I personally think that's not a good system. Taking driving lessons while there's a instructor next to you who can intervene when necessary is way much safer than just having one of your parents (eg) next to you who only can say something to you... Until there comes a situation when it's too late to yell. No, thank you.

Though I don't say our system is perfect. The demands here to pass you exam are extreme high. People need a average of 40-45 lessons nowadays. I heard in the near future a returnday will be compulsory (which is now volontary). In addition: punishment for beginning drivers (first 5 years) are also much higher than for other people. I think these kind of things improve traffic safety much better.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #114
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Number of killed per 100 000 citizens:
Greece 15,0
USA 14,7
Poland 14,3
Slovenia 12,9
Hungary 12,7
CZ 12,6
Portugal 11,8
Belgia 10,4
Spain 10,2
Italy 9,7
Ireland 9,3
Austria 9,3
Canada 9,1
France 8,8
Finland 7,2
Germany 6,5
Japan 6,2
Denmark 6,1
UK 5,5
Switzerland 5,5
Norway 4,9
Sveden 4,9
the Netherlands 4,6
Does this include only citizens of these countries? For example, 15 killed Greek citizens per 100,000 (Greek citizens, of course)? Does the number "15" only include Greek citizens? I'm asking, cause I can't believe we score that badly. There are loads of foreigners driving through my small country of just 2 million people, so theoretically (just theoretically though) more people can get killed on our roads than the total population of the country.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #115
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Good question Verso, wonder how that is...

Oh and thanks Chris for explaining the TOTSO, makes sense now (allthough i think it doesnt really have much significance, if you aren't familiar with the place you follow the signs, if you are then you know where to go anyway...
these things are probably determined by traffic density-->the one that carries the more traffic in that particular place will be the main route, the rest will have to exit. or something like that)
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Old February 13th, 2008, 05:58 PM   #116
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Oh and thanks Chris for explaining the TOTSO, makes sense now (allthough i think it doesnt really have much significance, if you aren't familiar with the place you follow the signs, if you are then you know where to go anyway...
I think the main problem here is that you can't overtake all the time, so you can't drive as fast as you would wish, b/c you have to turn right all the time.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 09:26 PM   #117
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This is why Poland is #3 on the list.

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Old February 13th, 2008, 09:43 PM   #118
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Old February 13th, 2008, 09:44 PM   #119
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poor car by the way I like Polish language
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it seems that Ašja will never get licence btw, is it fake, or real scenario?
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