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Old July 11th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #81
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Most of this network serves the surrounding suburbs but not the city itself. S-Bahn stations within the city boundaries are nowhere as numerous as in Berlin.
Interesting is the agglomeration, not the administrative city borders. Most of the agglomeration Berlin is part of the city of Berlin, but in the case of Munich only a part of the agglomeration is part of the city. So it makes no sense to compare city borders. It would be like comparing apples and oranges.
So we should compare the agglomeration Munich to the agglomeration Berlin. In this case Munich wins the competition.

Munich is number two in Germany, Berlin number four.
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Old July 11th, 2009, 10:41 PM   #82
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so its easy to compare, but the most important is to know the surface (km2) of Berlin and Munich aglomeration and the number of citizens.

Metro area is much bigger then aglomeration. For example Stuttgart has bigger metro then Hamburg.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 01:54 AM   #83
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Interesting is the agglomeration, not the administrative city borders. Most of the agglomeration Berlin is part of the city of Berlin, but in the case of Munich only a part of the agglomeration is part of the city. So it makes no sense to compare city borders. It would be like comparing apples and oranges.
So we should compare the agglomeration Munich to the agglomeration Berlin. In this case Munich wins the competition.
The city boundaries define an area rather precisely which makes it possible to compare. The contours of agglomerations are vague and ambiguous and therefore unsuitable for any comparison. In any case the difference of PT coverage of both cities and agglomerations is marginal.

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Munich is number two in Germany, Berlin number four.
In which regard?
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Old July 12th, 2009, 05:15 PM   #84
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so its easy to compare, but the most important is to know the surface (km2) of Berlin and Munich aglomeration and the number of citizens.

Metro area is much bigger then aglomeration. For example Stuttgart has bigger metro then Hamburg.
I don't talk about metro area but about the agglomeration (Großraum in German). Metro area is far too big and it's more political than geographical.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 05:31 PM   #85
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The city boundaries define an area rather precisely which makes it possible to compare. The contours of agglomerations are vague and ambiguous and therefore unsuitable for any comparison. In any case the difference of PT coverage of both cities and agglomerations is marginal.
I don't agree. City boundaries differ from city to city, in some cases most of the agglomeration is part of the city, in other cases only the half of the agglomeration is part of the city.

Example 1:

Unterföhring is a suburb of Munich, which is not far away from the city centre of Munich. If Munich had done it the "Berlin way" (Spandau, Falkensee etc.), it would be part of Munich since decades.

Example 2:

Berlin: 3,45 Mio. inhabitants.
Cologne: 1 Mio. inhabitants.

Großraum Berlin: 4,5 Mio. inhabitants.
Großraum Cologne: 3,5 Mio. inhabitants.

So, 1 --> 3,5 but only 3,45 --> 4,5.

Most of the agglomeration of Berlin is part of the city of Berlin, but only an area of 1 Mio. inhabtiants of the agglomeration of Cologne is part of the city of Cologne.

Example 3:

In the case of comparing city boundaries, Berlin would be bigger than Paris. Everyone, who knows both agglomerations, knows that such a statement makes no sense.

It's obvious that administrative boundaries can't be compared. They differ from case to case.

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The size of the S-Bahn network.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 12:15 AM   #86
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Both Berlin and Munich have EXCELLENT rail transit systems, among the best in Europe for sure. Residents there should be very proud to have the option to get around without a car. All that Berlin and Munich need now are better HSR connections to the rest of Germany and Europe, but that is more of a federal government issue.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 01:18 PM   #87
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With the decission of the new S-Bahn cross rail the extention of the U5 to Pasing will go ahead.

The extension will feature 3 stations and will be 3,6 km long.



It is most likely that the station will be situated parallel to the existing S-Bahn station in Pasing as illustrated below.

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Old November 15th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #88
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Munich's subway administration (SWM / MVG) orders 21 new trainsets (Typ C2.11) for 185 million Eur (8.8 million € per trainset).

It is planned to order another 46 trainsets until 2018. Altogether 550 Million € will be invested for 67 trainsets. Trains will mainly replace the typ A (A-Wagen) which will be more than 40 years old in 2018. Furthermore they will increase frequency on U3/U6 Stammstrecketo 2 minutes (now 2.5 minutes) and U2 Nord to 2.5 minutes (now 5 minutes).


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Die größte Fahrzeugbestellung in der Geschichte der Münchner U-Bahn ist fix: Die Stadtwerke München (SWM) ordern zunächst 21 sechsteilige Gliederzüge (= 126 Wagen) für das U-Bahnnetz der Münchner Verkehrsgesellschaft (MVG). Das Investitionsvolumen liegt bei ca. 185 Millionen Euro (inkl. anderweitig beschaffter Ausrüstungsteile wie z. B. Bildschirme für das Fahrgast-TV). Weitere bis zu 46 Züge (= 276 Wagen) sind in zwei Optionen mit jeweils bis zu 23 Einheiten vorgesehen, die bis 2016 bzw. 2020 in Festbestellungen umgewandelt werden können. Das Gesamtvolumen (Festbestellung + 2 Optionen) liegt bei bis zu 550 Millionen Euro.

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In diesem Rahmen soll die U-Bahn ab 2014 auf Teilabschnitten im Zentrum erstmals im 2-Minuten-Takt fahren (bisher maximal 2,5-Minuten-Takt). Die Fahrzeuge aus den Optionen könnten bei entsprechender Bestellung ab 2017/2018 ausgeliefert werden, um weitere Altwagen zu ersetzen und zusätzliche Taktverdichtungen zu ermöglichen. Insgesamt stehen bis zum Jahr 2025 etwa 60 Prozent des U-Bahnwagenparks zur Erneuerung an.

Der neue Zug (MVG-Typenbezeichnung C2.11) wird weitestgehend dem 2002 erstmals eingesetzten Typ C (Serien C1.9 und C1.10, insgesamt 18 Züge = 108 Wagen) entsprechen, weil sich diese Fahrzeuge zwischenzeitlich betrieblich sehr bewährt haben und auch von den Kunden äußerst positiv bewertet werden. Zu den besonderen Stärken des C-Zuges zählen unter anderem seine hohe Kapazität und Beschleunigung, die inzwischen hohe Verfügbarkeit, die Durchgängigkeit und Raumaufteilung sowie die breiten Türen und das Design innen und außen. Bei der Weiterentwicklung des Fahrzeugkonzepts war auch der Facharbeitskreis Mobilität des Behindertenbeirats eingebunden. Folgende Veränderungen sind für den neuen C2.11 vorgesehen:

Noch besserer Fahrgastfluss und höhere Kapazität durch vergrößerte Stehplatzbereiche in den Übergangsbereichen zwischen den Wagen

Bessere Erkennbarkeit des Öffnungs- und Schließvorgangs der Türen mittels farbiger LED-Leuchtbänder in den Türkanten

Leicht veränderte Kopfform mit neuer Beleuchtungstechnik, basierend auf LED-Technologie (Entwurf A. Neumeister, München; siehe Simulation oben; Bild steht unter www.swm.de/presse zur Verfügung)

Neugestaltung der Innenbeleuchtung auf Basis von LED-Leuchten

Höhere maximale Geschwindigkeit 90 km/h anstatt bisher 80 km/h

Durch optimierte Technik geringere Instandhaltungskosten und verbesserte Diagnosemöglichkeiten für raschere Störungsbehebung

Ausstattung mit Videokameras, Fahrgast-TV und Brandschutzeinrichtungen bereits ab Werk

Vorrüstung für fahrerlosen Betrieb (Fahrerstand könnte entfallen bzw. stark reduziert werden; dadurch dann noch höhere Kapazität)

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Old November 15th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #89
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Looks nice. The front is an improvement to the great C stock.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 06:27 PM   #90
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Nice but with 8.8 million € each expensive. I wonder how much trainsets are running in unwealthy cities e.g. Algier, Cairo or any Chinese city.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 11:56 PM   #91
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As long as they can reach a decent intervall (which 2 minutes definitely is), why complain about the number?
Munich's pt has fares expensive enough to pay for a bit more extravagant trains (that said, the C stock is probably the poshiest metro stock out there already).
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Old November 17th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #92
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Looks quite similar to the Class C stock but even they were some of the best looking (both from outside and, very importantly, INSIDE) metro trains I have ever seen. I guess these are going to be even better. When can we expect the delivery of the first new trains?
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Old November 17th, 2010, 01:35 AM   #93
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By the year 2013 the first 21 trainsets will be set into service.
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Old December 13th, 2010, 10:45 AM   #94
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At the weekend the new U3-West extension has been inaugurated (two new stations):

Moosacher St. Martinsplatz




Moosach (interchange with S-Bahn line 1)





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More pictures you can find here:
http://www.muenchnerubahn.de/blog/20...-nach-moosach/ (incl. station description in german)
http://picasaweb.google.com/wawimuc/U3NachMoosach

I really like the new stations
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Old December 13th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #95
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Yep. the new Munich stations are one of the best in the world - in my opinion.
Pitty they all are not in the center but in far suburbs.
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Old December 13th, 2010, 02:48 PM   #96
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I think they look quite dull and boring. Even the art inside can't change that. No clue how you can count these amongst the "best in the world". I've seen factories that are better looking.
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Old December 13th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #97
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So, what are the next expansions of the network?
Did the work on the route Laimer Platz - Pasing begin or not?
And what about the eastern extension of U4 from Arabellapark to S8?
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So, what are the next expansions of the network?
Did the work on the route Laimer Platz - Pasing begin or not?
And what about the eastern extension of U4 from Arabellapark to S8?
The next extension will be the U6-West extension (one station to Martinsried). This was decided by the Kreistag in July 2009, but the works didn't started yet. It should be operational 2014 or 2015.

The other projects are still in the planning phase. The next big infrastructure project in Munich is what I know the 2nd suburban line tunnel ("2. S-Bahn Stammstrecke"). Works on this project should start mid 2011 and planned opening date is 2018.
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Nice stations; another good addition to the network in both architecture and connections to the S-Bahn.
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The next big infrastructure project in Munich is what I know the 2nd suburban line tunnel ("2. S-Bahn Stammstrecke"). Works on this project should start mid 2011 and planned opening date is 2018.
Wow! What's that?
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