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Old July 12th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #621
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Old July 12th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #622
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Friedrichstraße was used by Westerns as an interchange to the S-Bahn trains running on the western part of the Stadtbahn (not depicted on that map). The road accesses to the U-Bahnhof were sealed off; the only possible connection was to the western tracks in the S-Bahnhof.

Despite lying in East Berlin territory, the Lehrter Bhf - Friedrichstr. part of the Stadtbahn was actually part of the West Berlin rail services, Friedrichstr. being the frontier station. The track layout was different from today's one: 4 tracks were dedicated to S-Bahn (each couple being separated from the other) and 2 tracks to those few main railway services crossing the frontier.
It should also be pointed out that Friedrichstr was a point of entry to East Berlin (at least for foreigners like me, not sure about Germans), So you could take the u and s -bahn into the east.

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Old July 13th, 2012, 10:55 AM   #623
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Yes, West German were allowed to pass the border coming from the U-Bahn or the S-Bahn that coming from the West ended there. In fact it was the main border crossing by rail. Also, there was a kiosk on the U-Bahn plattform selling alcohol for Deutsch Mark that was open all night. You could go there, buy booze and return to the American or British occupied sector without border or customs control.
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Old August 21st, 2012, 04:56 PM   #624
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A train of the Berlin S-Bahn derailed a few hours ago, 6 people were injured:

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http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/...tzte-1.1446346
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Old August 21st, 2012, 07:10 PM   #625
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Old August 21st, 2012, 07:19 PM   #626
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I was recently in Berlin, made very good use of the S-Bahn! Great system.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 07:51 AM   #627
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Old March 10th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #629
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will there be an expand line to falkensee in 2015 ?
Latest update I know is that the Berlin Senate wants to extend the S-bahn to Falkensee (Transport Plan 2017).

However, the Brandenburg government don't want to fund their part of the project meaning in the first instance the line would run as far as the Berlin/Brandenburg border (Albrechtshof).

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 12:09 PM   #630
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I have some questions:

- what is the track arrangement between U-Bahn stations Nollendhorfplatz and Wittenbergplatz? Could they re-shuffle/truncate services there if they wanted, for instance, routing U3 to Adernauerplatz or routing U4 to Pankow?

- why can't they deploy a system that prevents train doors from opening until the trains are completely stopped with brakes locked (instead of opening when the train is still moving some centimeters per second)?

- does BVG have plans to build more direct physical access between stations, especially between the Ring S-Bahn station and the U-Bahn stations when lines meet?

- some U-Bahn lines could be easily extended to the nearest S-Bahn line increasing connectivity. Do they have plane extending the U-Bahn from Adernauerplatz to S-Bahn Halensee, or from Krumme Lank to S-Bahn Mexikoplatz.

- do they have plans to upgrade some of the former East Berlin tram lines to elevated or underground metro? The line along route M17 seems a good candidate: plenty of blocks around, but not so close that an elevated line would be detrimental.

- why does BVG "cheats" users signaling buses or trams as if they were part of the same service? Just to avoid showcasing how western parts of the city have no trams and rely on crappy buses?
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 01:39 PM   #631
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- why can't they deploy a system that prevents train doors from opening until the trains are completely stopped with brakes locked (instead of opening when the train is still moving some centimeters per second)?
It saves time, some seconds at every stop.

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- some U-Bahn lines could be easily extended to the nearest S-Bahn line increasing connectivity. Do they have plane extending the U-Bahn from Adernauerplatz to S-Bahn Halensee, or from Krumme Lank to S-Bahn Mexikoplatz.
Yes, since the 1930s
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 03:01 PM   #632
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- do they have plans to upgrade some of the former East Berlin tram lines to elevated or underground metro? The line along route M17 seems a good candidate: plenty of blocks around, but not so close that an elevated line would be detrimental.
Trams in those areas are already pretty fast, and stops are often located at roads crossing, so there's not that much loss of time at traffic lights

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- why does BVG "cheats" users signaling buses or trams as if they were part of the same service? Just to avoid showcasing how western parts of the city have no trams and rely on crappy buses?
They don't: buses have a purple rounded symbol, trams a red squared one. Same colors of the respective lines on the city map (trams are in orange to avoid confusion with railways, in red too).
Plus, there is a specific map of the tram network, which doesn't exist for buses (and would be greatly appreciated, at least M-buses...).

M-lines exist for both buses and trams, but it is a commercial designation for a network of lines (MetroNetz: http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17104...ro+Routes.html) which keep a minimum schedule of 10', and run 24/24.
I also remember M-lines had to keep a minimum average speed but I can't find any data about it
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 03:19 PM   #633
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I also remember M-lines had to keep a minimum average speed but I can't find any data about it
That would be nice you will find it. It is uncommon.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 04:31 PM   #634
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I find confusing to call bus and tram lines as "Metros" and to identify them with a "M".
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:13 PM   #635
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Why? Metrobus and Metrotram. They are metropolitan services hence the 'M'.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:33 PM   #636
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"Metro" is an international term that refers to U-Bahn.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:41 PM   #637
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I agree, a little confusing. But I guess it''s only people with special interest that care.

As for buses on the maps, they are drawn in the big map that you usually find on the u-bahn. I think they sell those for 30€. Unfortunately I forgot about buying one when I was in Berlin, which is a shame since they are really nice and big.
They are not good to use on the fly though.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 06:42 PM   #638
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You can get the city map for around € 5 and I suggest to buy it There's also the big one for € 30 or so.

But what is missed is the scheme of the bus network, while they have it for trams and S+U and also night lines (including night MetroBuses).

About the "Metro" word, there's not much ambiguity since BVG usually refers to trams and buses, not Metros.
I agree that first time users probably don't know the difference between
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but whatever, to the user it's not that much important to know if a tram or bus will show up, as long as he's in the right spot to wait for it and the vehicle will display the proper line number.

Informed passengers, and transit junkies, have the complete information at hand, if needed.


The really tricky one is the X-bus! If you get on this one you may end up where you don't want to.


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That would be nice you will find it. It is uncommon.
I remember many years ago I read something about it, maybe it was a minimum average of 20 km/h for trams and 15 for buses?

The only data I can find is that the average of the whole tramnetz is 19 km/h, which is not bad:
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17106/name/Tram.html
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 06:49 PM   #639
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The really tricky one is the X-bus! If you get on this one you may end up where you don't want to.
Now that sounds just plain spooky... Go on then, what's an X bus?

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Express buses (they don't only exist in Berlin) apply to buses the common express concept. They're buses which follow mostly the same route of a main line, but stop only at selected points to be a little faster.
When you look at the map, you have to check carefully the symbol of the stop, a full purple circle or the same with the white X.
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/17130...xpressBus.html

With a nice sense of humor, the TXL line not only goes to TXL but is also an X line

So if you get on X11 instead of M11 you may miss your stop, and sometimes they even follow different paths. X11 and M11 western termini are in completely different neighbourhoods!

I'm not against the concept of ExpressBuses, but if they follow a different path they should just give them a different number.
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