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Old August 5th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #901
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A professional fare-dodger can easily spot control teams. The control teams are usually staffed by WISAG. They check the tickets randomly in civil clothes. However, the way they behave, one can spot them when they entering the train.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 05:34 AM   #902
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The only thing that mitigates fare dodging in Berlin a bit is that monthly subscriptions are very cheap compared to the price of single rides or day passes to cover the same trips, so people who use transit often and are not inclined to fare dodge all the time probably buy these subscriptions and are therefore covered in situations where they might be tempted (like a short s-Bahn ride late at night on Saturday).
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A professional fare-dodger can easily spot control teams. The control teams are usually staffed by WISAG. They check the tickets randomly in civil clothes. However, the way they behave, one can spot them when they entering the train.
"Professional fare-dodging" is an interesting concept.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 10:35 AM   #903
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Is there any city at all in Germany where a closed system with gates is used for public transport? Never seen one.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 05:16 AM   #904
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Is there any city at all in Germany where a closed system with gates is used for public transport? Never seen one.
I don't think so. I haven't been to that many cities in Germany, but none of them have turnstiles/gates.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 05:23 AM   #905
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New S-Bahn trains for Berlin S-Bahn will replace the old 480's? When it start?
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New S-Bahn trains for Berlin S-Bahn will replace the old 480's? When it start?
2020-ish. Depends on the outcome of tenders for new rolling stock.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 01:17 PM   #907
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S-Bahn will get trains sooner than 2020. And they will replace 485s rolling stock. 480s
will live a little longer.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 07:38 PM   #908
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I found fare dodging in Berlin to be scarily easy. I thought there would be conductors on the S-Bahn, and I thought there would be ticket gates on the U-Bahn, but I was very wrong. Hamburg was exactly the same. In Berlin I was mainly using the Stadtbahn line from Ostkreuz.

I'm too used to here in Glasgow where every equivalent U-Bahn/S-Bahn station in the city has ticket gates, and while the further out stations don't, we still have ticket conductors very visible in the trains.
I once heard that there were ticket inspectors for a while but they gave up on them due to a lack of success in finding fare-dodgers.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 11:04 AM   #909
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You have to be blind in order to not find fare dodgers in Berlin, I suppose.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 11:10 AM   #910
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I once heard that there were ticket inspectors for a while but they gave up on them due to a lack of success in finding fare-dodgers.
When I was in Berlin years ago (about 2004) the undercover inspectors were everywhere. I was in Berlin in May this year and didn't see a single one.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 11:23 AM   #911
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In fact there are a lot of fare-dodgers in Berlin. When inspectors come in, and imagine
that part of the train (U-, or S-Bahn) has around 30 passengers, most of the time they will find at least one or two.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 08:31 PM   #912
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The only thing that mitigates fare dodging in Berlin a bit is that monthly subscriptions are very cheap compared to the price of single rides or day passes to cover the same trips, so people who use transit often and are not inclined to fare dodge all the time probably buy these subscriptions and are therefore covered in situations where they might be tempted (like a short s-Bahn ride late at night on Saturday).
Oke, totally forgot U-Bahn in Berlin has no gates..

How much is A monthly subscribtion on the complete U-Bahn/Berlin public transport?
If I look it up, chances are, I will gather wrong information.
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Old August 23rd, 2014, 08:38 PM   #913
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How much is A monthly subscribtion on the complete U-Bahn/Berlin public transport?
If I look it up, chances are, I will gather wrong information.
€ 78 for zones AB, € 97 for zones ABC (€ 722/€ 943 for annual passes, respectively).
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Old August 24th, 2014, 10:41 AM   #914
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Around December, Berlin will get a new double decker bus. It´s a prototype from Scania.
It will run for a year, or so. If it is successful, BVG will order a bunch of them...
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:02 PM   #915
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Any news on the Waltersdorf and Rudersdorf trams?

Are they doing well?

What about Potsdam? I think that I read somewhere that that tram used to be connected to Berlin's. Are they getting any closer to each other again?
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:50 PM   #916
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Why would they need to get closer? There is a good S-bahn connection between Potsdam and Berlin, and there are no trams in the south western portion of Berlin to my knowledge.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 09:28 PM   #917
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What about Potsdam? I think that I read somewhere that that tram used to be connected to Berlin's. Are they getting any closer to each other again?
Potsdam and Berlin tram were never connected. There had been several attempts to extend Potsdams tram via Glienicker Brücke to Wannsee, but this was 90 years back or so. In fact there is no need to do so. They talked about extending the tram towards Teltow S-Bahnstation but it´s not a real project, just an idea.

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Old September 3rd, 2014, 09:43 PM   #918
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Actually I don't see the point in connecting the networks... the distance is too high to use a tram, it would be even if there was an extensive network in west Berlin; and anyway there's already the S-Bahn, and Regio trains as well.

If ever some works are needed, then maybe doubling the S-Bahn track in order to have both S1 and S7 reach the city or even go past Hbf. But I'm not even sure about that...
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Old September 4th, 2014, 05:10 AM   #919
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I think it'd be quite stupid to connect Berlin and Potsdam using trams because:

1) They're too far apart;
2) Trams are far slower than the S-Bahn;
3) The S-Bahn is very dependable and works really well.
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What about Potsdam? I think that I read somewhere that that tram used to be connected to Berlin's. Are they getting any closer to each other again?
It could be interesting link.
There is 6,5 km between Glienicker Brücke (the "spy bridge") tram station in Postdam an S-Bahn Wannsee station in Berlin
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