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Old September 4th, 2014, 12:16 PM   #921
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Maybe we weren't clear enough: WHAT THE HELL IS THAT LINK NEEDED FOR?

6,5 km of trams in the middle of woods, to connect two stations already connected by at least three or four other modes of transit... and it's even a hill.

Come on guys... every possible link is interesting, if it's just fantasy...
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Old September 4th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #922
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Eh guy, keep quiet :
There is in other countries, other towns (alas in mine, not speaking some in USA), existant or projected tram lines in places where the patronage or need is or will be certainly under the level of Postdam - Wannsee
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Old September 5th, 2014, 01:09 AM   #923
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And for sure all those links are all already served by two parallel railways...
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Old September 5th, 2014, 02:23 AM   #924
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It is more urgent to build trams in Charlottenburg, Moabit and Wilmersdof
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Old September 5th, 2014, 12:40 PM   #925
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And for sure all those links are all already served by two parallel railways...
The comfortable zone to access at a public transport station is no wide more than 6 or 700 meters. When other parallel line is at greater distance, paralelism does'nt matter.

@Suburbanist, I agree
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Old September 19th, 2014, 07:53 AM   #926
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Any news on U5/U55?

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Also, is there a German thread about the Berliner U-Bahn? I can't seem to find it...
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Old September 19th, 2014, 09:24 AM   #927
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I think it'd be quite stupid to connect Berlin and Potsdam using trams because:

1) They're too far apart;
2) Trams are far slower than the S-Bahn;
3) The S-Bahn is very dependable and works really well.
Pretty much similar situation in Munich that is connected both with S-Bahn and Tram since 100 years or more. The tram connection was never questioned.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 09:40 AM   #928
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IN Munich or FROM Munich to a nearby city?
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Old September 19th, 2014, 11:42 AM   #929
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Pretty much similar situation in Munich that is connected both with S-Bahn and Tram since 100 years or more. The tram connection was never questioned.
Are you talking about Pasing station or are there others? I don't think the distance could match Potsdam - Berlin, nor is there a big forest in the way is there?
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Old September 19th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #930
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Any news on U5/U55?
First tunnel is dug between Rathaus and Brandenburger Tor. The second one will not be that difficult, because all surprises already happened

The roof of Unter den Linden and Rathaus stations are finished in that way, that it is possible to work under that roof (cut and cover - partly covered.

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Old September 19th, 2014, 08:28 PM   #931
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3) The S-Bahn is very dependable and works really well.
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Old September 19th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #932
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First tunnel is dug between Rathaus and Brandenburger Tor. The second one will not be that difficult, because all surprises already happened

The roof of Unter den Linden and Rathaus stations are finished in that way, that it is possible to work under that roof (cut and cover - partly covered.

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Old September 20th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #933
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I think he's implying that the S-bahn has had its problems fairly recently. If you remember, half the rolling stock were taken out of commission due to faults and I think it was only some time last year that full timetables were restored. Someone in Berlin can correct me on that.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #934
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Monorails for Berlin

Monorails are a good alternative for certain cities, and I think Berlin is one of them.

I was thinking of several routs that could benefit from a monorail system, such as a Pankow-Prenzlauer Berg-Alexanderplatz alignment, and also a Charlottenburg-Moabit-Hbf. alignment. Other attractive project would be a monorail Greisdeieck-Kürfurstendam-Hallensee-Grunwald park, taking away all those hundred of crappy buses that travel there.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 12:41 AM   #935
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I must say Slagathor was completely right: if you read this guy while you're drunk or high, you'll get a ludicrous experience.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 05:01 AM   #936
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Monorails are a good alternative for certain cities, and I think Berlin is one of them.

I was thinking of several routs that could benefit from a monorail system, such as a Pankow-Prenzlauer Berg-Alexanderplatz alignment, and also a Charlottenburg-Moabit-Hbf. alignment. Other attractive project would be a monorail Greisdeieck-Kürfurstendam-Hallensee-Grunwald park, taking away all those hundred of crappy buses that travel there.
Elevated monorails? I think they'd look awful on Gleisdreieck-Ku'damm-Hallensee-Grunewald, but that's only me. I think trams would be far more appropriate.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 11:28 AM   #937
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Trams are not that good, because they need to interact with surface interference of kind. Grade-separated infrastructure yield more reliable, faster and high-tech transportation.
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Trams are not that good, because they need to interact with surface interference of kind. Grade-separated infrastructure yield more reliable, faster and high-tech transportation.
Sure, but there are concerns beyond mere functionality. You have to consider that grade separated infrastructure is going to either be above ground or below ground. Below attracts heavy costs, whereas above is a visual eyesore in most cases. So for more minor routes (as the tram in Berlin generally covers), a mostly grade-separated at street level tram system is perfectly sufficient, especially when granted light priority and other such measures.
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Berlin is full of elevated train structures already (U-Bahn and S-Bahn). It is not like I'm proposing a novelty.

I also didn't suggest a monorail between Postdamer platz and Alexander platz...
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