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Old August 31st, 2015, 04:16 AM   #1041
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Will they extend this line to Moabit now? Is there political appetite for that?
Yes. An extension to Moabit is planned along with a bunch of other extensions (about 100km) due 2050.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 11:10 AM   #1042
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Moabit extension is in the advanced planning stage. At the moment, the senate has decided on the route but is still hearing opinions about how to integrate the tram into the road (center or side). The senator has talked about opening the extension by 2019/2020, which might appear slow for such a minute extension, but would actually be fast by past experience with Berlin infrastructure investments (except of course for the city highway extension, which has outpaced all these minor rail extensions).
Concerning the 100 km plan, this is to my knowledge just a demand by an NGO (BUND).
Article in German: http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berli...,31525248.html
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Old September 1st, 2015, 05:34 PM   #1043
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The New Haltestelle at Hauptbahnhof is a beauty but will they make it Barrierefrei (accessible)?
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Old September 1st, 2015, 07:21 PM   #1044
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The New Haltestelle at Hauptbahnhof is a beauty but will they make it Barrierefrei (accessible)?
I doubt they'd had built it without accessibility. That would be a scandal and probably illegal.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 10:00 PM   #1045
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I also read somewhere that there is the idea to go from Turmstrasse to Mierendorfplatz and after the closure of Tegel Airport to the airport itself where they plan a new technology park (similar to Adlershof) with a lot of housing too...
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 12:41 AM   #1046
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Well, it would still be better if U55 was extended to Moabit and Texel technology park instead of a tram line, but there is not much wherewithal to extend U55 at the moment sadly
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Old September 2nd, 2015, 11:37 AM   #1047
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Concerning the accessibility of the tram stop: there is a traffic light crossing that I believe allows for wheel chairs to easily access. There is to my knowledge no lift to the sub-levels of the station, only stairs; one would have to head for the main building and use lifts there. There are in theory also escalators to the sub-level, but these cannot be put to use until the underground S21 is completed, which was supposed to be in 2017 but the project has suffered some major complications.
Concerning the extension options: at present, it seems only the politically insignificant FDP still believes in realizing the U5 extension, stressing that there is already a station for it at U-Bf Turmstraße, one level above the U9 station there. It would have the advantage of bringing tourists and employees from Moabit's hostels, hotels, and residential areas to the government and historical areas of town directly and quickly. I tend to agree with that, but at the moment no lobby in Berlin advocates serious subway extensions. BUND as a major lobby for public transport is completely addicted to the principle of tram extensions (including the idea of letting M10 take over the planned western extension of U5), which is of course a good thing to replace busy bus lines, but cannot compete capacity- or speedwise with subways or S-Bahn. Especially Berlin trams are notoriously slow, as the senator for traffic does not allow for serious priority signals. The BVG itself advocates some minor subway extensions, including an overground side branch of U6 to access the planned Tegel technology park.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 05:36 PM   #1048
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Berlin christens IK metro
2 SEP, 2015



Berlin mayor Michael Müller has launched the IK series metro at Warschauer Straße station on September 2.

Built in neighbouring Velten, BVG has been testing two pre-series vehicles on Berlin’s U-bahn network.

BVG has already exercised an option for 11 four-car, bi-directional trains – the first of which will arrive in 2017 – from its original framework agreement with Stadler for 37 trains

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Old September 4th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #1049
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The BVG itself advocates some minor subway extensions, including an overground side branch of U6 to access the planned Tegel technology park.
BVG is the only lobby for additional U-Bahn-extensions at the moment, that´s true. Pleas note, that BVG also takes tram-extensions into account, it´s including both.

Let´s see what will happen in future. Berlin paid 70,5 millions of Euro for that tram to Hauptbahnhof, taking all together. This is way too much for further extensions. There is a political anti-U-Bahn movement in Berlin-Council (Senat) which is stupid, ignorant and arrogant. It´s not about only BUND which is a nationwide NGO, with the same opinion everywhere (no surprise).

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The train runs on U12 for passenger-service daily until November, whent it will get it´s climate-check in Vienna.

Further 11 Ik-trains will be ordered for great-profile lines, They are planned to run for some years on U5 and will be refitted for small-profile than. This is kind of obscure thing, they done with the G-type LEW Hennigsdorf trains for Athenes in 1982. It´s because a very hard situation of trains in great-profile lines (U1 - U5). Since financial crisis of 2001 BVG was not allowed to buy new trains for those lines. Furthermore they are facing serious problems with bogies, and other things. It´s really bad. So next generation Jk and J will be put on order hopefully soon in a big contract, replacing F-series until F87 (except the refurbished ones) and small-profil refurbished trains A3 64/66. Yes , those trains are from 1964! If someone want to take a look on cities in financial crisis, come to Berlin. We offer this since 2001
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #1051
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Why would BUND oppose metro expansion?
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Old September 5th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #1052
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I think Berlin (the City/lander) has a huge public debt ?
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Old September 6th, 2015, 04:55 PM   #1053
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Why would BUND oppose metro expansion?
If I recall correctly they say, that subway is only build in order to make space for more cars. They only favour trams, if they reduce street-capacity for cars. To be fair, they have a more religious character, doing a good job when it comes to safe areas for animals/plants, but public-transport is not their core-busineness. There are other NGOS like VCD or ProBahn, which are slightly more moderate in their opinions and have a more professional backround in terms of public-transport.

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Old September 7th, 2015, 11:16 AM   #1054
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The other argument is that trams cost a mere 10% of metro lines and can be built much faster. Looking at the tiny extension U Naturkundemuseum to Hauptbahnhof however, this does not seem to be true. As stated above, it was horribly expensive (I think this is because of the senate's policy to include all vaguely related costs in the bill (reconstructing sewage under the tram line, realigning the road, even when the scope of these go way beyond what would be necessary to make space for the rails). And the endless time it took to build, including closing down the preexisting tram route through Invalidenstraße, is also not a confirmation of the BUND's hypothesis.
There is however a strong current in German environmentalist activism which opposes all heavy infrastructure projects for public transport (subways, HSR) and prefers trams and S-Bahns instead, not limited to BUND.
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Old September 10th, 2015, 12:33 PM   #1055
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New Ik-train in service

Enjoy this one, it must be from the 3rd of September (first day in Service)

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Old September 12th, 2015, 06:29 PM   #1056
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U12, we meet again... I missed this news: U2 is interrupted between Gleisdreieck and Wittenbergplatz from 16/04 to the end of November.

The map shows these variations:
- U2 "Ostalgie" Gleisdreieck - Pankow
- U1 becomes U12 and takes up the western half of U2, Ruhleben - Warschauer Str.
- limited U1 Uhlandstr. - Wittenbergplatz, "Ku'damm Shuttle"

Which works are going on between Gleisdreieck and Wittenbergplatz?
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Visible is mainly the strengthening of the U 2 viaduct at Gleisdreieck.
Actually, it is good that U1 takes up its (almost) cold war route under the name of U 12 (Warschauer Str-Ruhleben). Terminating the line from popular Kreuzberg already at Uhlandstraße never made any sense. Another disadvantage was that U1 then could only carry six coaches because of platform lengths (it now carries 8 again), which is completely insufficient for the bustling Kreuzberg traffic. Unfortunately U 12 is not made to last.
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Visible is mainly the strengthening of the U 2 viaduct at Gleisdreieck.
Actually, it is good that U1 takes up its (almost) cold war route under the name of U 12 (Warschauer Str-Ruhleben). Terminating the line from popular Kreuzberg already at Uhlandstraße never made any sense. Another disadvantage was that U1 then could only carry six coaches because of platform lengths (it now carries 8 again), which is completely insufficient for the bustling Kreuzberg traffic. Unfortunately U 12 is not made to last.
Platform length is no problem on any U1-station for 8-car-service. Only U4 has platform length only suitable for 4-car-trains. It´s mainly the lack of missing trains which made U1 run 8-car-trains impossible till now.

The actual layout with U1 running to Uhlandstraße is the only technical possibility to avoid at grade-crossings in Wittenbergplatz. Otherwise Warschauer Straße - Ruhleben would make sense, yes. But this would cause a completely unreliable service. Changing cross-platform at Wittenbergplatz is convenient running to the west, to the east it´s only U3, which is cross-platform. However this layout cannot be changed without massive reconstruction.

Besides strengthening the viaduct, the main resaon for works on U2 is reconstruction of steel-structure under Gleisdreieck-station U2-track running Ruhleben. Some years ago the same was done with the track runnnig to Pankow. Since 1912 nothing was done besides repair of WWII-damages.
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Old September 13th, 2015, 03:46 PM   #1059
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The actual layout with U1 running to Uhlandstraße is the only technical possibility to avoid at grade-crossings in Wittenbergplatz. Otherwise Warschauer Straße - Ruhleben would make sense, yes. But this would cause a completely unreliable service. Changing cross-platform at Wittenbergplatz is convenient running to the west, to the east it´s only U3, which is cross-platform. However this layout cannot be changed without massive reconstruction.
Not true. The route Uhlandstraße-Warschauer Straße was introduced as the 3 station line Wittenbergplatz-Uhlandstraße was running a deficit. Its Kurfürstendamm and Uhlandstraße stops are only equipped for 6 cars length, hence this length on U1, which otherwise could use more.
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Not true. The route Uhlandstraße-Warschauer Straße was introduced as the 3 station line Wittenbergplatz-Uhlandstraße was running a deficit. Its Kurfürstendamm and Uhlandstraße stops are only equipped for 6 cars length, hence this length on U1, which otherwise could use more.
No, this is not correct, who is telling something like that? I´m living in Berlin using U1 very frequently at those stops. Uhlandstraße and Kurfürstendamm have been constructed from start of operation with the standard length of 110 m, so they can accomodate 8-car-trains. It is planned to run Uhlandstraße - Warschauer Straße with 8-car-trains as soon as the interruption of U2 is over, believe me.

Every station in small-profile since 1907 (except 1910 opened U4) has a platform-lenght of 110 m. Uhlandstraße was opened in 1913, Kurfürstendamm was added in 1961 and even planned to be converted into great-profile station.

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