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Old September 22nd, 2015, 01:09 AM   #1081
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FNP 1984 may as well have been the direct consequence of the S-Bahn takeover and therefore symptomatic of the contemporary zeitgeist. They wanted to demolish the Dresdner Bahn inside the Ringbahn and build a road in its place, though only after reconstruction of the Cherusker-Kurve. And building a stubend to Gleisdreieck, though this could've been some very clever foresight for a S21 scheme as we know it today. The 1980s were a period of normalization on both sides. The GDR buried a statue of Old Fritz when it was young and put it back in place when it became sclerotic and in need of Old Fritz.

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Old October 19th, 2015, 06:41 PM   #1082
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Berlin Line U5 tunnelling complete
Monday, October 19, 2015



TUNNELLING has been completed on the project to connect Line U5 with Line U55 on the Berlin U-Bahn by constructing a 2.2km underground link from Alexanderplatz to Brandenburg Gate beneath the historic heart of the German capital

"It is a great day for the BVG," said Dr Sigrid Nikutta, chair of the management board of Berlin Transport Authority (BVG). "The U5 gap closure project is on budget and on time."

Work on the 10-year €525m project began in April 2010 and is now at the halfway point. According to Mr Stefan Roth from the construction company Implenia, the second tunnel was bored at an average of 11m per day, rising to 28m per day under the best conditions, and without any accidents

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Old October 19th, 2015, 06:54 PM   #1083
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How long will it take to finish the tunnel and install the infrastructure before dynamic tests begin?
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Old October 19th, 2015, 11:59 PM   #1084
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If it took 10 years, and they are 'halfway' it will be soon finished... just 10 more years!
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Old October 20th, 2015, 12:34 AM   #1085
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It only took five so 2020 if all goes according to the plan.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #1086
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I know there are delays and some of them for reasons entirely unrelated to construction or engineering. However, one a tunnel had been fully bored, absent some financial contingency there shouldn't be much more additional delays
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Old October 20th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #1087
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I see from the VBB map that RE trains are diverted from the Stadtbahn for major track rebuilding works.

Is this a complete closure or just some IC/ICE trains can run?
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Old October 20th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #1088
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In Berlin every project took a lot of time and money. The best known example is the airport. This is because of political corruption and mismanagment.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 10:02 AM   #1089
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I see from the VBB map that RE trains are diverted from the Stadtbahn for major track rebuilding works.

Is this a complete closure or just some IC/ICE trains can run?

I was in Berlin 9-12 October and there were some parts around (I think) Friedrichstrasse station where there was no track at all except for the S-Bahn lines. In my limited time using the S-Bahn I never saw any ICE, IC, RE or RB trains using the stretch between Zoo & Alexanderplatz.

I did see an ICE train leave Berlin HBF (tief) for Düsseldorf but this headed north on the line to Gesundbrunnen. I have no idea whether this is normal or not.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 12:27 PM   #1090
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I see from the VBB map that RE trains are diverted from the Stadtbahn for major track rebuilding works.

Is this a complete closure or just some IC/ICE trains can run?
It's a complete closure, although note that some RE trains run from Spandau to Zoologischer Garten.

Normal service should resume from 1st November.

Can't wait!
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Old October 21st, 2015, 02:41 PM   #1091
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Oh, good, I think I'll visit in December, so I will see the brand new Stadtbahn
But the report of VBB said it will go on into December, I hope they'll be quicker.

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I did see an ICE train leave Berlin HBF (tief) for Düsseldorf but this headed north on the line to Gesundbrunnen. I have no idea whether this is normal or not.
Usually the couple of ICEs to NRW (which separate in Hamm) departed from Ostbahnhof and used the Stadtbahn, then called at Spandau and proceeded towards Hannover.
Anyway, not a big deal to use the tunnel, it will take them to Spandau as well. Ostbahnhof is out of the game but probably they will begin their travel in Suedkreuz.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 03:06 PM   #1092
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To clarify my last post, according to the VBB, a limited regional and long-distance service should resume on the Stadtbahn from 1st Nov.

There is an additional contingency for work completion and full service will return on 23rd November latest.

So December should hopefully be clear.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 04:50 PM   #1093
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Thank you, I probably read an initial report.

Did these works include fixing the Hbf weak pillars on Humboldthafen?
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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:40 PM   #1094
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Did these works include fixing the Hbf weak pillars on Humboldthafen?
Unfortunately not, as detailed here.

Looks like the bridge correction work has been delayed until a satisfactory solution can be found (possible as far away as 2020!). In the meantime, trains must cross the bridge at a reduced speed.

At least the planned 3-month closure of the Stadtbahn section of the S-Bahn next year has also been shelved.
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Old October 25th, 2015, 11:59 AM   #1095
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Usually the couple of ICEs to NRW (which separate in Hamm) departed from Ostbahnhof and used the Stadtbahn, then called at Spandau and proceeded towards Hannover.
Anyway, not a big deal to use the tunnel, it will take them to Spandau as well. Ostbahnhof is out of the game but probably they will begin their travel in Suedkreuz.
If you want to take pictures of ICEs on the Stadtbahn, better not delay your trip too long. DB considers the Stadtbahn overcrowded, so it has the long-term aim to push all long-distance trains into the underground, reserving the Stadtbahn exclusively for RB and RE. As of the change in schedule in mid-December, ICEs to Hanover-Düsseldorf/Cologne will depart from the underground level of Hbf permanently. ICEs to Brunswick as well as ICs to Hanover will continue to use the Stadtbahn for the moment.
The benefit of using the north-south rails to Spandau is of course it saves 5 minutes. The downside is that trains then can no longer stop in the east of the city (Ostbahnhof).
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Old October 25th, 2015, 12:26 PM   #1096
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If you want to take pictures of ICEs on the Stadtbahn, better not delay your trip too long. DB considers the Stadtbahn overcrowded, so it has the long-term aim to push all long-distance trains into the underground, reserving the Stadtbahn exclusively for RB and RE. As of the change in schedule in mid-December, ICEs to Hanover-Düsseldorf/Cologne will depart from the underground level of Hbf permanently. ICEs to Brunswick as well as ICs to Hanover will continue to use the Stadtbahn for the moment.
The benefit of using the north-south rails to Spandau is of course it saves 5 minutes. The downside is that trains then can no longer stop in the east of the city (Ostbahnhof).
Will those trains then go to suedkreuz instead of Ostbahnhof?
Acutally, its always good to have more than 1 station in the city area, where you can enter the train.
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No. As far as I can see from checking the future schedule, with few exceptions, they will all first call at Gesundbrunnen, then at Berlin Hbf tief, where they must reverse direction. It is to my knowledge a new route, but Gesundbrunnen can be convenient, besides eastern Wedding and Reinickendorf, to travelers from Pankow, northern Prenzlauer Berg, and Weissensee, who all have fairly long and complicated routes to Hbf, but are well-connected to Gesundbrunnen.
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Old October 25th, 2015, 03:48 PM   #1098
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Ostbahnhof was always a "meh" solution... yes it's in the East, but not connected to anything relevant, in the end you had to reach it with the same S-Bahn going to Hbf as well.
Warschauer Str. is much better connected, or Ostkreuz, but they were never meant to become full stations.

Südkreuz is probably avoided because reaching it from Rummelsburg requires a painfully long detour and still, all in all, it's less connected than Gesundbrunnen.
With this new solution there are some disadvantages but overall I don't think it's a bad outcome.

If you ask me what the southern half of the city is really missing, my answer is S21.
I think right now the N-S tunnel is poorly served by Regio trains and a "fake" S21 like in 2006 would be a good filler. In a longer terms, with the actual S21 tunnel built, then there would be S lines both from the South branches and from the south-eastern part of the Ring (serving Neukölln).
Right now reaching Hbf from South is quite a pain in the arse... taking all FV trains to Südkreuz would have relieved this, but it's not so easy to put in practice.

The mainline tracks between Wedding and Gesundbrunner will become quite crowded!
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Old November 18th, 2015, 04:08 PM   #1099
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Taken from German transport thread:

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http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/berli...strassenbahnen

Berlin is buying new Subway trains and Trams for 3,1 billion €. Delivery starts in 2020

The article also says that right now, 1/3 of the rolling stock right now is far beyond their economic lifespan and literarally scrap
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Old December 1st, 2015, 12:37 PM   #1100
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LSE Cities has put together this transport infrastrcuture map of Berlin as part of the Urban Age project. Any suggests/corrections welcome:

https://urbanage.lsecities.net/data/...obility-berlin
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