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Old November 14th, 2017, 06:32 PM   #1361
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:44 AM   #1362
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Well, of cause times are hard and we have to run small-profile trains on big-profile, but at least we don´t have lost our humour. Check this one, it´s in german and based on an old song from the 80s:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnXn...ature=youtu.be

For curious fans who like to know how IK-trains look on U5, try this nice pics from Frankford Ave., sorry Frankfurter Allee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMByv38C4A

IK17-trains on U5 gives the opportunity to substitute the F79-series which at first should have been refurbished like F74/F76. But it turned out, that they tried a special kind of aluminium for F79 which is a mess and nobody would use this nowadays anymore. But of cause, 40 years for a aluminium-train isn´t bad anyway. As this is a problem urgently has to be fixed, BVG signed an emergeny contract to order additional 80 cars of IK17 for U5.

The devil lies in the details and if trains not designed for big-profile run on those lines, there are many little problems have to be solved at first e. g.: Recognizing the train correctly at the Information-Software-system, handle siding-tracks because IK is 3 m longer than H-Trains etc.. The IK17 can be refitted into small-profile in one week, which is foreseen if new trains are ready.



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Old November 15th, 2017, 12:03 PM   #1363
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Germany is a rich country and they should invest more in the transportation system in their capital.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 04:32 PM   #1364
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Well, the federal government probably is, but the city authorities of Berlin is broke, and that's what matters...
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Old November 15th, 2017, 04:52 PM   #1365
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Well, the federal government probably is, but the city authorities of Berlin is broke, and that's what matters...
It is in the interest of Germany to have a capital that can rival London or Paris in terms of public transportation infrastructure... BER, U-55, shortage of trains - all issues that should be sorted.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 09:39 PM   #1366
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It is in the interest of Germany to have a capital that can rival London or Paris in terms of public transportation infrastructure...
Not necesserily. Berlin (for well known historical reasons) is significantly smaller than those two, has a population of "only" some 3.5 million and is being surrounded by a sparsely populated region.
Additionally, Germany has some other important and populated metropolitan areas as well, e.g. Rhine/Main (Frankfurt, Mainz, Wiesbaden, etc.), Rhine/Ruhr (Cologne, Dusseldorf, Dortmund, etc.). Having a capital vs. capital race makes no sense.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 01:57 PM   #1367
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And it is neither expected to even come close in the future, as Germany as a whole has a shrinking population. The current infrastructure of Berlin isn't bad at all...

With one obvious exception!

And that exception may also have contributed to a lack of elite influx into Berlin in the past 25 years. But that also prevents Berlin from being an expensive city like the other two named capitals. This makes Berlin a more exciting city instead of being a playground for the rich and an open-air museum.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 04:17 PM   #1368
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In my opinion, having visited the mass transportation systems of London, Paris and Berlin. I can say that Berlin has a mass transportation system more efficient than the other two cities.

The combination of U-Bahn and S-Bahn sistems are more efficient than Métro and RER in Paris, and much more efficient than Underground and Overground in London.

The big difference here is the S-Bahn, that is much more faster than de London Overground, and has a higher coverage in the city than the Paris RER.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 04:47 PM   #1369
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Berlin does need more 'elite influx' and it has the space to absorb more people, Brandenburg state could be much more densely developed.
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Old November 16th, 2017, 07:56 PM   #1370
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What does Berlin really need. Extend the U5 through the centre and out again some through the NW suburbs.

Maybe some more Trams into the centre and the .West End, allowing more one seat rides for Easterners.

Unless there is a big surge in population I can't see the need for much more apat from small schemes.
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Old November 17th, 2017, 06:54 PM   #1371
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In my opinion, having visited the mass transportation systems of London, Paris and Berlin. I can say that Berlin has a mass transportation system more efficient than the other two cities.

The combination of U-Bahn and S-Bahn sistems are more efficient than Métro and RER in Paris, and much more efficient than Underground and Overground in London.

The big difference here is the S-Bahn, that is much more faster than de London Overground, and has a higher coverage in the city than the Paris RER.
I completely agree. The integration between U-Bahn and S-Bahn systems in Berlin is great.

IMO the only weakness of Berlin transportation system is the U-Bahn network that is not developed enough for a almost 900 square kilometers city.
Some areas, especially in the east part of the city, are not well served by S-Bahn and not served at all by U-Bahn.
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Old November 17th, 2017, 08:26 PM   #1372
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Don't forget the extensive and fast tram network.
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Old November 17th, 2017, 10:10 PM   #1373
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Berlin probably has the best transit system in the world for a city that isn't a big metropolis. It's a little old and could use some upgrading, but it works, it's mostly underground and it even runs at night.

But the Overground cannot be seen as the RER of London. London won't have a true equivalent until the Elizabeth Line opens, but it also doesn't need one as badly as Paris did — the tube is faster than the Métro with more widely-spaced stations and goes far out into the suburbs. The Overground is a network of peripheral railway lines connecting the outer suburbs to each other, rather like the Parisian trams and future Métro lines.
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Old November 17th, 2017, 11:50 PM   #1374
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Apart from the TfL-branded Overground network, London has an extensive network of National Rail services which link the suburbs with each other and with London's Zone 1.

Technically speaking, London Overground is yet another National Rail service. While TfL has given London Overground a distinct branding and appeal (it appears on the Tube Map, for example) the standard National Rail Conditions of Carriage apply to LO services, unlike London Underground and DLR.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 12:08 PM   #1375
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From Rail Journal

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=526

Central Berlin light rail planning tender announced
January 05, 2018



BERLIN Transport (BVG) has published a tender requesting planning services for the first major expansion of tram services in the historic centre of Berlin since World War II

A 3.35km long new double-track line is proposed as part of the BerlinStrategie 2030 plan announced in December 2016 to restore the city’s tram network in parts of the city that became West Berlin after WWII

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Old January 7th, 2018, 01:42 PM   #1376
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Any news about the extension of line 5?
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Old January 7th, 2018, 01:46 PM   #1377
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Old January 12th, 2018, 01:06 PM   #1378
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Any news about the extension of line 5?
This recent article states that the new line (Hauptbahnhof - Hönow) will be complete by the end of 2020...

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/be.../20810082.html
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