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Old August 11th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #41
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I want that wall to be down its shows a dark history in Germany. As myself a German i hate that wall. BERLIN CITY GOVERMENT TEARDOWN THAT WALL LOTS OF PEOPLE HATE THAT WALL.
Lots of people hate you, too. Doesn't mean we want to tear you down. Just like the Berlin Wall, you represent something very terrible and awful. And just like the Berlin Wall, we don't want to tear you down. Matthew Lowry (oops, sorry, The Wall) should be left as a reminder of how sick, sad, and terrible humanity can be.
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Old August 11th, 2010, 02:20 PM   #42
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Lots of people hate you, too. Doesn't mean we want to tear you down. Just like the Berlin Wall, you represent something very terrible and awful. And just like the Berlin Wall, we don't want to tear you down. Matthew Lowry (oops, sorry, The Wall) should be left as a reminder of how sick, sad, and terrible humanity can be.
Another twisted aspect of this "push to leave the Wall steading" is that historic monuments are usually left or constructed either to celebrate victories and achievements (like the Paris' arcs) or to remember foreign oppression or tragedies.

The Berlin Wall, I might say, was constructed pretty much against the will of Germans, who by then were not even in charge of their capital. So turning it down sounds reasonable, as many Germans would likely thing of it as a shame, a physical representation of foreign occupation.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 05:55 PM   #44
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Travel Postcard - 48 hours in Berlin

BERLIN, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Got 48 hours to spare in Berlin? The city which proudly bares the scars of the turbulent 20th century history it overcame to become a political and creative powerhouse, bang in the centre of Europe, has a lot to offer.

Reuters correspondents with local knowledge help visitors get the most out of a visit to the German capital, this year celebrating 20 years since reunification:

FRIDAY

6 p.m - Berlin has always been a cultural hub so spend your first evening in the historic Jewish quarter of Berlin, home to countless galleries, boutiques and bars.

Start on Oranienburgerstrasse with a visit to Kunsthaus Tacheles -- a ruined department store that is now an artists' squat. Tacheles is just one of many forums for alternative culture in Berlin facing eviction from quirky historical properties which property developers want to spruce up. So check it out now -- before it's too late.

Further down the street, take a moment to admire the golden dome of the Moorish-style New Synagogue, before cutting through a courtyard to reach Auguststrasse, famed for its art galleries and array of international cuisine.

8 p.m. - Have dinner either at Kasbah, a cosy, Moroccan restaurant with Oriental decor serving a delicious lamb-prune tagine; or Monsieur Vuong, famous for its funky vibe, Vietnamese dishes and fruit smoothies.

10 p.m. - Then head to Claerchens Ballhaus, a timeless institution dating back to 1913. People of all ages come to the ballroom seven days a week to dance under a massive disco ball. Don't forget to check out the elegantly dilapidated mirror salon upstairs, harking back to a bygone era of glamour.

SATURDAY

10 a.m. - Get a feeling today for the difference between former Communist east Berlin and west Berlin, which were separated for nearly 30 years by an "anti-fascist protection barrier" that became the symbol of the Cold War.

Start in Friederichshain, a working-class eastern district strewn with bulky Communist buildings that has changed much less since 1989 than the gentrified historic city centre.

Have a hearty (and cheap, very cheap) brunch at one of the many cafes peppered around Simon-Dach-Strasse before heading to the weekly market on Boxhagener Platz.

12 p.m. - Next, stroll down to the East Side Gallery, the largest remaining section of the Berlin Wall which was painted with murals by 118 artists from 22 countries in 1990.

Many of the gallery's 106 murals were inspired by the collapse of communism -- keep a look out for one of the most famous, the "Brotherly Kiss", showing former East German leader Erich Honecker kissing ex-Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev.


2 p.m. - In the afternoon, head west across the border. The first stop is the appropriately named Kaufhaus des Westens (department store of the west), or KaDeWe -- Berlin's answer to London's Harrods and Paris' Galeries Lafayette.

The highlight of KaDeWe is its gourmet food department, boasting some 3,400 different wines and more than 1,300 cheeses.

Then hit the shops on Kurfuerstendamm. If you visit during Advent, Berlin's famous Christmas markets will be up and running, with mulled wine and roasted nuts aplenty.

4 p.m. - Finally, walk down to the Gedaechtniskirche (Memorial Church), a church that was bombed out in World War Two and was preserved in its ruined state to symbolise the folly of war.

6 p.m. - Grab a bite at one of the bustling restaurants around Savigny Platz then hop in a cab to the Philharmonie to attend a concert by the Berlin Philharmonic orchestra, one of the world's most prestigious and conducted by Britain's Simon Rattle.

SUNDAY:

Spend a day walking around Berlin's historic centre, tracing the many layers of its turbulent past.

10 a.m. - Start at Alexanderplatz, a vast square in East Berlin famous for its landmark Fernsehturm (television tower). Then walk down past the giant statues of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, over the Spree river onto the "Museum Island".

Pay a visit to one of the many internationally renowned museums, such as the Neues Museum which was restored and reopened last year, and is full of famous antiquities such as a bust of the ancient Egyptian Queen Nefertiti.

12 p.m. - Carry on down the majestic Unter den Linden avenue, past the Humboldt University, the State Opera House and the plush Hotel Adlon Kempinski -- where the late singer Michael Jackson dangled his infant son out of a third-floor window.

Stop off for lunch at Cafe Einstein along the way, or at restaurant Theodor Tucher on Pariser Platz by the Brandenburg Gate -- a square that was flattened during the war and became a No Man's Land during the division of Germany.

Don't be fooled by the boxy facade of some of the buildings on the square - check out the interior of DZ Bank, designed by star architect Frank Gehry. In the atrium, a bulging filigree roof and a curved glass floor bring to mind an enormous fish.

2 p.m. - Pass through the Brandenburg Gate and turn left to the Holocaust Memorial -- a monument to Jewish victims of the Holocaust made of 2,711 huge slabs visitors can wander through.

Then head to Potsdamer Platz area, where what was once a tract of wasteland near the Wall has become a web of futuristic buildings housing business and entertainment complexes.

4 p.m. - Walk to the revamped Reichstag parliament building with its glass dome designed by British architect Norman Foster.

Skip queues by booking a table at the roof restaurant in advance and taking their private lift to enjoy "Kaffee und Kuchen" (coffee and cake) with a panoramic view over Berlin.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 06:17 PM   #45
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The wall should be preserved to remember this dark period in the history of the city:





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Old October 26th, 2010, 11:00 PM   #46
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Yes, it's entirely understandable that the Berlin people wanted to destroy the hated wall, of course it is. But it is also very important to preserve it in some way because it is a part of all of our histories, and we should never forget our history.

The thing that makes Berlin special is it's history - not just the wall but all of it going right back hundreds of years. The last century was especially important for the city's development though and so much of what formed the 20th century has left its mark on Berlin.

The only bit of the complete wall is a sanitised remnant of what used to be



The wall at Bemauer St in 1981


And the "preserved section" today. Where are the tank traps, the trip wires and all the rest?

In other areas a different type of monument is left


In some ways this is more fitting than the sanitised section above - this young woodland used to be the death strip. The rest of Bemauer St is being turned into a park and that's fine as well.

Either way, the legacy really should be preserved.

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Old November 3rd, 2010, 03:31 AM   #47
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On August 13th, 1961, West Berlin was cut off from East Berlin and the surrounding East Germany by the finished construction of the Berlin Wall. It was constructed by the German Democratic Republic (GDR), and featured a number of defensive elements. Guard towers lined the high concrete walls, surrounding a large area known as the death strip that was outfitted with trenches that would keep out any vehicles.

Despite the "official" reason for the wall's existence, protecting the people of the Soviet controlled "Eastern Bloc" (Communist states of Eastern and Central Europe) from fascism, the truth was it only served to keep defecting citizens from escaping. Many such people hoping to leave the GDR attempted to do so by escaping over the Berlin wall, and between 1961 and 1989, the wall prevented almost all of these attempts.

Now, while many of these more specific details may not be common knowledge worldwide, there is no doubt that the Berlin Wall is well known as a tragic marker in history. This is especially so for the relatives of those that were killed attempting to escape over the wall, whose families and lives were torn apart in the process. As painful as it may be, it is necessary to remember tragedies when they happen, to ensure that they will never happen again. The phrase is, "Never Forget."

This year, a German student, 23 year old Jens Stober, who was working on a project for credit towards his university degree, created a video game that recreates these events, in an effort to let players better understand the events surrounding the Berlin Wall by "living them."

"Becoming an East German escapee or border guard enables players to identify with these figures," Stober said . "It's a novel way of encouraging young people to take an interest in coming to terms with recent German history."

While the game may have been created with an educational aspect in mind, the Federal Foundation for the Reconciliation of the Communist Dictatorship, doubts that young people will be doing anything other than playing a video game when they purchase it. The spokesman for the Foundation, Dietrich Wolf, stated that "ultimately it's just an ego-shooter game, which is unacceptable given the historical context."

The game, titled "1378" (the length in kilometers, of the border between East and West Germany during the Cold War), allows players to become a border guard, and win medals for shooting a high number of escapees - who then, in the year 2000, go on trial for the murders they participated in under orders from the East German Communist regime.

Players can also become an East German fugitive, trying to escape over the Berlin wall - if they fail, they are either shot, or arrested. It is easy to see where the educational part of this game comes in, not only with the ability to assume the roles of both sides of the tragedy, (with exquisite realism of attitude, including the medals awarded to the border guards and the punishments for attempted escapees) but it may be a little harsh on the families that had to deal with the real events. Stober told press that "In the game, you ask yourself: 'What would I do?' You may come to the conclusion that you would not shoot at your fellow countrymen and women." Regardless of feelings for or against the game, it was certainly created with good intentions. © Copyright 2010 The Bottom Line
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It should preserve it and not to CHANGE its peace how it is supposed to be.
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