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Old March 28th, 2008, 12:55 AM   #41
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v nedávnu se objevila v tisku opětovně zpráva, že se Brno stává světovým centrem výzkumu, mám na mysli vznik těch několika různých klinik, to je jenom jeden z příkladů že Brno roste a v budoucnu růst bude, v trojúhelníku mezi Praha-Blava-Vindobona má ideální pozici, leží na spojnici západu s východem a severu s jihem, takže myslím že menší metro, jedna linka klasického metra, by ničemu neuškodila.. jak já říkám, lepší jeden funkční Regiotram než 10 ucpaných dálnic.

Třeba Liberec plánuje tramvajovou trať na největší sídliště v Rochlici a už pár let se vedle v Zeleném údolí pro jistotu staví další sídliště, aby měli politici lepší motivaci to postavit A když se vezme v úvahu budoucí progress města (kór když Brno má suburbs široko daleko) tak se toho dá skvěle využít vybudováním dvou záchytných stanic někde na okraji města, propojit je s dalšími dopravními uzly, tj. novým nádražím, případně oblastí jihu, a nemá to chybu.. jen hloubš, jen hloubš! Třeba se přijde na to, že někde pod Brnem se rozkládá pekelná říše mocného Lucifera. Nedivil bych se.

Ale tak Brno moc neznám, takže nemůžu soudit jestli je metro potřeba nebo ne

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BTW Ostrava taky neni mesto, ktere by mohlo kazat o vyrovnanem hospodareni zamerenem na budoucnost...
Třeba Liberec je už v té budoucnosti a dá se to přežít
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Old March 28th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #42
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v nedávnu se objevila v tisku opětovně zpráva, že se Brno stává světovým centrem výzkumu, mám na mysli vznik těch několika různých klinik, to je jenom jeden z příkladů že Brno roste a v budoucnu růst bude, v trojúhelníku mezi Praha-Blava-Vindobona má ideální pozici, leží na spojnici západu s východem a severu s jihem, takže myslím že menší metro, jedna linka klasického metra, by ničemu neuškodila.. jak já říkám, lepší jeden funkční Regiotram než 10 ucpaných dálnic.

Třeba Liberec plánuje tramvajovou trať na největší sídliště v Rochlici a už pár let se vedle v Zeleném údolí pro jistotu staví další sídliště, aby měli politici lepší motivaci to postavit A když se vezme v úvahu budoucí progress města (kór když Brno má suburbs široko daleko) tak se toho dá skvěle využít vybudováním dvou záchytných stanic někde na okraji města, propojit je s dalšími dopravními uzly, tj. novým nádražím, případně oblastí jihu, a nemá to chybu.. jen hloubš, jen hloubš! Třeba se přijde na to, že někde pod Brnem se rozkládá pekelná říše mocného Lucifera. Nedivil bych se.

Ale tak Brno moc neznám, takže nemůžu soudit jestli je metro potřeba nebo ne



Třeba Liberec je už v té budoucnosti a dá se to přežít
Opet nechci urazit, ale obavam se, ze v Evrope jsou pouha dve mista, kde je v soucasnosti provaden opravdu spickovy vyzkum - a sice JET laboratore v UK a Cadarache ve Francii, kde je vyvyjin fuzni reaktor. Ja vim, je to trochu nadsazene tvrzeni, ale faktem zustava, ze v Evrope spickovy vyzkum vyrazne zaostava za svetem. Dukazem jsou pocty prihlasenych patentu. Je-li tomu jinak, budu rad, kdyz me nekdo vyvede z omylu.

K metru: mesto s 300.000 obyvateli metro nepotrebuje. A uz vubec ne Brno - vzdyt je to jenom velka vesnice, vsechno je pomerne snadno v dosahu. Lokalni problemy s dopravou by urcite sly vyresit i levneji, nez kopanim tunelu a budovanim prislusne obrovske infrastruktury.

Metro v Ostrave je stejny nesmysl nejen kvuli poddolovani, ale stejne jako v Brne kvuli nakladum a vytizenosti. Vetsi vzdalenosti by sice pridavaly jeden argument PRO navic, ale to nestaci.

Myslim, ze jak Brno, tak Ostrava ma mnoho prednejsich palcivych problemu, za ktere je vhodne utracet miliardy, nez abychom budovali stadiony pro 30k lidi a podobne monstrozity.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #43
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X236K:
Optimizmus tohoto tematu je zrejme myslen tak, ze Cesko uz neni montovnou typu Philips Hranice, nybrz uz dokaze stahovat zajimave investice a krome "rukou" take "mozky" nehezky receno. A Brno i Ostrava si v prijmu investic vedou velmi slusne a dokazou v nasem prostoru smele konkurovat vetsim mestum jako je Bratislava, Krakow a Wroclaw.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 07:04 PM   #44
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Optimizmus tohoto tematu je zrejme myslen tak, ze Cesko uz neni montovnou typu Philips Hranice, nybrz uz dokaze stahovat zajimave investice a krome "rukou" take "mozky" nehezky receno. A Brno i Ostrava si v prijmu investic vedou velmi slusne a dokazou v nasem prostoru smele konkurovat vetsim mestum jako je Bratislava, Krakow a Wroclaw.
To nepochybne dokazi, nicmene o spickovem vyzkumu bych nemluvil.
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Old March 28th, 2008, 10:22 PM   #45
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Now I live in Brno. I come from Mallorca Island, and in my island, the corrupts politics had made a extravagance.. a METRO... The metro only still on for 6 months. A diluvian rain flooded all the traject... lool... and now, 6 months later... the govern do not have any answer.

Please.. Brno is so beautifoul without metro...
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Old March 31st, 2008, 02:28 PM   #46
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X236K:
Nedokazu to presne posoudit, ale o "spickovem vyzkumu" by se melo psat opatrne.

Brnaci:
Jelikoz metro neni na poradu dne... Nevi nekdo o eventualnim rozsirovani tramvajove a trolejbusove site? Leccos se v prostoru mesta nabizi, ale nejsem technik a nevim, co je proveditelne... A zeby se mi podarilo vygooglovat nejake komplexni informace, to teda ani ne.

Medlanky --- prodluzuje se tram do vozovny, ktera tak bude obsluhovana ze dvou smeru, ale co puvodni Medlanky smer Hudcova, zamecek? Tam se protahovat nebude?
Bystrc --- prodlouzeni k ul. Teyschlova?
Masarykova ctvrt --- premisteni z duvodu rekonstrukce Nam.Miru?
Komarov --- vzhledem k presunu Bratislavske vypadovky prodlouzeni ulici Hnevkovskeho na Holasky a Chrlice?
Stranska skala --- prodlouzeni do Stare Lisne?
Lisen, Mifkova --- podle me se tam vejde normalni smycka, ne?
Julianov --- prodlouzeni doleva k poliklinice?
Stefanikova ctvrt --- prodlouzeni na Lesnou k Majdalenkam?
Reckovice --- na prodlouzeni do Ivanovic asi neni misto, co odboceni doprava dolu ulici Vazneho na sidliste?

Trolejbus do Cernovic misto busu 47?
Spojeni Krpole - Lesna troleji misto busu 44/84?

V souvislosti s presunem nadrazi:
Vim, ze bude presunuta trat do Komarova z Dornychu na Plotni... A jinak? Co trat do Hornich Herspic eventualne dale do Dolnich a do Prizrenic? A jeji propojeni s trati do St.Liskovce? Podle planu prestavby Brna - jih zadne propojeni nebude?!
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Old March 31st, 2008, 02:40 PM   #47
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Now I live in Brno. I come from Mallorca Island, and in my island, the corrupts politics had made a extravagance.. a METRO... The metro only still on for 6 months. A diluvian rain flooded all the traject... lool... and now, 6 months later... the govern do not have any answer.

Please.. Brno is so beautifoul without metro...
Don't worry alquivir, the Czechs do things properly.

Sounds like you've got a bit of a disaster there in Mallorca, where is the water coming from?

Hey guys just because its Brno (not Prague) doesn't mean you have to run the entire thread in Czech, others are interested too! (Yes, I know, I'm being selfish .
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Old March 31st, 2008, 02:57 PM   #48
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Aj, zapomnel jsem... last but not least:
Zidenice --- Vytazeni tramvaje ze Stare osady na Vinohrady? Vyhlidkovou trati se serpentynami ? S pripadnou podzemni zastavkou?

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Last discussion is about Sillicon-valley-like ambicies of Brno . The author of this thread wrote about new fact that Brno technological park develops well and may reach european tops soon. It is true that in foreign investment and technological development Brno competites with larger cities in central Europe such as Bratislava or Krakow, but many postings beware of exagerating... PS: Australian with czech roots?
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Aj, zapomnel jsem... last but not least:
Zidenice --- Vytazeni tramvaje ze Stare osady na Vinohrady? Vyhlidkovou trati se serpentynami ? S pripadnou podzemni zastavkou?

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Last discussion is about Sillicon-valley-like ambicies of Brno . The author of this thread wrote about new fact that Brno technological park develops well and may reach european tops soon. It is true that in foreign investment and technological development Brno competites with larger cities in central Europe such as Bratislava or Krakow, but many postings beware of exagerating... PS: Australian with czech roots?
Thanks for summary ov_79, much appreciated. It is an interesting project because it uses the tramway, not like a normal metro - I'm wondering what the justification for this approach is.

Australian with Czech wife, I can translate slowly or bug my wife to translate but she has better things to do than help a computer nerd with an internet forum! If I ask her she will tell me to clean the house instead, are all Czech girls like this?
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Old March 31st, 2008, 04:06 PM   #50
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Sydney: Cleaning the a house instead of exploring skyscrapercity.com is not that bad. Some czech women even ask for sex instead .

I am trying to keep discussion about Brno tram + trolley-bus network which is densy and quite efficient. Brno traffic has its critical points, but these can find a solution without huge investment in metro IMO. I asked "locals" for eventual relongings of existing routes of electric public transport, because am new in Brno and have not much clue...
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Medlanky --- prodluzuje se tram do vozovny, ktera tak bude obsluhovana ze dvou smeru, ale co puvodni Medlanky smer Hudcova, zamecek? Tam se protahovat nebude?
Bystrc --- prodlouzeni k ul. Teyschlova?
Masarykova ctvrt --- premisteni z duvodu rekonstrukce Nam.Miru?
Komarov --- vzhledem k presunu Bratislavske vypadovky prodlouzeni ulici Hnevkovskeho na Holasky a Chrlice?
Stranska skala --- prodlouzeni do Stare Lisne?
Lisen, Mifkova --- podle me se tam vejde normalni smycka, ne?
Julianov --- prodlouzeni doleva k poliklinice?
Stefanikova ctvrt --- prodlouzeni na Lesnou k Majdalenkam?
Reckovice --- na prodlouzeni do Ivanovic asi neni misto, co odboceni doprava dolu ulici Vazneho na sidliste?
I haven´t heard bout these projects. The only project what is now in construction is extension of tram across Chemical faculty and Technology park to tram depot Medlánky. I think the most important project now is replacement of tram track from Dornych to Plotní and preparations of projects for new lines in south center (new boulevard track towards new railway station)
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vlker: Thanks. I found some info on DPMB, but expect some local posters know more than officials .
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So,how realistic is the metro project for burno,is burno large enough,in population and in territory ,how many kilomitres are from the one end of the city to the other?Im very curious about alll that and does burno has trams ?
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^ Sure, Brno has trams and trolleybuses, electric trams since 1900.
I think metro line would make some sense, but let say in next 20 years horizon.
This is the main traffic node - main railway station.

trams in city centre in 30's
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A subway New York style is logical, but to have a monorail in that city would be dumb since it is a centralized city. Monorails are a need in big subrurbian areas. Some examples are Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville. Maybe Prague can have a monorail.
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Actually Brno has suburbs too, most of them were built in commie era.
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Actually Brno has suburbs too, most of them were built in commie era.
Yeah, but your suburbs don't expand all the way to 200 miles.
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I have mixed reaction for the Metro line.

At one end..im ok with it.... it seems logical, for such a city, as it expands and grows..
but i think the demand for it will be low.

The thing which is nice is that there is a tram in the middle of the main street.

The Main area of Brno, which is small seems a bit odd because its hard to make a tram service underground....
But the new area of Brno, which i saw blooming is know different than the new one from Prague.

Prague Subway is necessity to the city and i think it wouldnt survive without it..
none the less, Brno can prospour and it creates new jobs and makes the suburbs more easy to get to
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^ Sure, Brno has trams and trolleybuses, electric trams since 1900.
I think metro line would make some sense, but let say in next 20 years horizon.
This is the main traffic node - main railway station.

trams in city centre in 30's
I think that photo might be later kokpit. That looks like a post-war Tatra tram in foreground, plus cars look very post war.
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Looks like mid 50's.

the Street cars look familiar
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