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Old October 30th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #2021
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apartment market is red hot in the city, so developers are jumping in the last wagon on any train they can.
We should get an announcement soon from Mr. Wanda too.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #2022
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Why did they get rid of the bend in the tower, which seems barely perceptible now? It seems less dramatic, shame on the developers.

I don't understand why they didn't just go with the middle option, it was more interesting form.

Also, the cross bracing seems too light now.

The top is awkward looking now too.

As a consequence, I'm now more interested in the Extell tower on 57th. This tower remains nice, but not thrilling anymore.

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Old October 30th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #2023
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We should get an announcement soon from Mr. Wanda too.

drool! yes sir! so curious where his $1 B + project will be.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #2024
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drool! yes sir! so curious where his $1 B + project will be.
Maybe 52-56 W 57th or the Director's Guild site. Someone will raze the Ziegfeld one day too.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #2025
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Why did they get rid of the bend in the tower, which seems barely perceptible now? It seems less dramatic, shame on the developers.
Because of the reduced height from the original design, the tower had to get fatter in order to accommodate the same amount of square footage. I also miss that cinched-waist look but that change isn't new -- the less-detailed renders of the 1050 ft. version was much straighter than the original with the "bend." By far the bigger change is at the top, and in the layout of the cross-bracing.

Anyway, you can't fault the developer for building every possible square inch of floor space of this tower, even when it comes at the expense of a more dramatic design. They're running a business, with selling units as the top priority and creating an icon much further down the list. Even a squatter, less elegant version of Tower Verre is miles better than 99% of what passes for residential design these days.

Although, you could perhaps fault them for their initial arrogance in refusing to provide a detailed design to Amanda Burden, which significantly played a role in her disallowing the extra 200 feet (which is going to wind up costing Hines a helluva lot more than just a scrunched design, when you think about an extra ~20 floors of prime condos). I still think Burden was on an unreasonable power trip, but Hines and Nouvel didn't help themselves.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:40 AM   #2026
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Why did they get rid of the bend in the tower, which seems barely perceptible now? It seems less dramatic, shame on the developers.

I don't understand why they didn't just go with the middle option, it was more interesting form.

Also, the cross bracing seems too light now.

The top is awkward looking now too.

As a consequence, I'm now more interested in the Extell tower on 57th. This tower remains nice, but not thrilling anymore.
Well you'll be satisfied cause based on the Hines website, the old rendering just got replaced with the model in the middle; the press release also shows the same rendering so my guess is this is the one getting built. I think the Wall street journal article used one of the old ones rather than the updated one cause this one macthes the latest sketch that was submitted earlier in the year.
I too think the middle one looks the best but honestly either one will make it the best skyscraper in the city.

http://http://hines.com/press/releases/10-30-13.aspx

http://http://www.53w53.com/

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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:49 AM   #2027
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Why did they get rid of the bend in the tower, which seems barely perceptible now? It seems less dramatic, shame on the developers.

I don't understand why they didn't just go with the middle option, it was more interesting form.

Also, the cross bracing seems too light now.

The top is awkward looking now too.

As a consequence, I'm now more interested in the Extell tower on 57th. This tower remains nice, but not thrilling anymore.
That's what I'm saying. I loved how in the previous versions the building sloped back. It doesn't do that anymore. I don't mind the dark top, but the angles are worse.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:21 AM   #2028
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Well, seems like one more to go for New York....

As from Central Park, the view from 30Rock will change quite a bit to.
I made these, choose whichever you want 107W57 (or 111W57 whatever it is named) on Verre rendering and Verre on 107W57 rendering, with and without 225W57.

But I have to point out, that, actually, I think that Verre will mostly obscure 107W57 from 30 Rock, maybe it will be seen if you go to the western part of the deck as you can see on GE image). I cheated a little on the 107W57 on Verre, and I put it more to the left, although in the rendering of 107W57 it seems that they also put it much to the left.

Obviously we don't have a final design of 225W57 yet, and I have to "adapt" the rendereing we have to this perspective, so, don't take it much seriously, that's why I made one with it and another without it.




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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:25 AM   #2029
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I actually like the new renders, still wish it was taller now with 107 West 57th dwarfing it. Can't wait to see it rise.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:45 AM   #2030
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I didn't think it was supposed to be brown?
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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:49 AM   #2031
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Remember when people said 1WTC's radome-less spire was brown in the renders? That was due to the light level in the sunset. Same scenario with this.
The renders show it to be black or dark grey.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 10:42 AM   #2032
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Why was the height of this tower decreased when there are numerous planned supertalls which exceed the original proposal in height?
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:35 AM   #2033
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The bracing pattern changed for the worst so it appears... And the top lost its "shard"ness which i liked so much.
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Indeed. Most of the Verre's charme is gone with that latest design. Too bad, I was really looking forward to it.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 04:24 PM   #2036
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Don't worry complainers! I think they just managed to hire someone who did an awful job with these new renderings of the tower and made it look like a rusty old stick with no glass. It'll look a thousand times better in real life.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 04:28 PM   #2037
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Guys, the latest rendering isn't necessarily the correct one. Also, it's quite difficult to make a proper rendering of this type of building. So much will depend on materials being used and general execution.
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Guys, the latest rendering isn't necessarily the correct one. Also, it's quite difficult to make a proper rendering of this type of building. So much will depend on materials being used and general execution.
It's just weird. I never saw that version before. It has to be a new one. No? I know Hines and other publications show the previous one, anyway it's odd. Either way whatever the version it will be iconic. I hope the final one for me is the x bracing of the new and the top of the old.
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Well you'll be satisfied cause based on the Hines website, the old rendering just got replaced with the model in the middle; the press release also shows the same rendering so my guess is this is the one getting built. I think the Wall street journal article used one of the old ones rather than the updated one cause this one macthes the latest sketch that was submitted earlier in the year.
I too think the middle one looks the best but honestly either one will make it the best skyscraper in the city.

http://http://hines.com/press/releases/10-30-13.aspx

http://http://www.53w53.com/
The LPC approved the redesign 2 years ago. Hines was not free to change the design.
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