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Old October 4th, 2016, 07:27 AM   #2921
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I love black cladded skyscrapers like Willis and Hancock in Chicago, and it looks darker than I expected. Should be good.
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Old October 13th, 2016, 09:06 AM   #2922
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Old October 13th, 2016, 12:10 PM   #2923
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The "suits" don't wear safety shoes.
I would personally kick them off the yard immediately...
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Old October 13th, 2016, 04:21 PM   #2924
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I'm wondering that nobody commented on the glass panels over the concrete wall aka fake windows yet. Anybody?

Seriously: The cladding looks great! High-quality but restrained.
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Old October 13th, 2016, 04:53 PM   #2925
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The cladding looks great.
As do the fake windows.
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Old October 13th, 2016, 08:00 PM   #2926
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I'm wondering that nobody commented on the glass panels over the concrete wall aka fake windows yet. Anybody?

Seriously: The cladding looks great! High-quality but restrained.
Sounds very immature to constantly point out some 'fake cladding' (whatever that means) and compare it to some disgraceful and disrespectful towers/styles in New York, constructed recently.
Glass is used as a construction material just like any other material like metal, or stainless steal, therefore if it covers a wall completely it does not mimic windows with PVC frames lit from the inside.
Please do not compare incomparable things - styles, more importantly - materials of different quality.
And I've already said this before, I wonder how many times will I have to repeat for some people to be capable of understanding the point.
Oh forget it, they'll still say stuff to justify other buildings which they like so much.
I've even read conspiracy theories about modern architecture lately, in some other threads, now that puts the discussion on a completely new, sort of esoteric level, and I'm not willing to participate.
Next time, I'll just skip those threads, you know, to spare myself from the huge amount of nonsense.
I apologize for the off-topic, but as you can see they even bring their topics in these sort of threads.
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Old October 13th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #2927
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The "suits" don't wear safety shoes.
I would personally kick them off the yard immediately...
But maybe not the one second from the left. He's the architect!
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Old October 13th, 2016, 09:35 PM   #2928
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Even him!
Rules are rules.
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Old October 13th, 2016, 11:49 PM   #2929
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If anything, the architect should know better!
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Old October 14th, 2016, 02:41 AM   #2930
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Sounds very immature to constantly point out some 'fake cladding' (whatever that means) and compare it to some disgraceful and disrespectful towers/styles in New York, constructed recently.
Glass is used as a construction material just like any other material like metal, or stainless steal, therefore if it covers a wall completely it does not mimic windows with PVC frames lit from the inside.
Please do not compare incomparable things - styles, more importantly - materials of different quality.
And I've already said this before, I wonder how many times will I have to repeat for some people to be capable of understanding the point.
Oh forget it, they'll still say stuff to justify other buildings which they like so much.
I've even read conspiracy theories about modern architecture lately, in some other threads, now that puts the discussion on a completely new, sort of esoteric level, and I'm not willing to participate.
Next time, I'll just skip those threads, you know, to spare myself from the huge amount of nonsense.
I apologize for the off-topic, but as you can see they even bring their topics in these sort of threads.
Well, this is isn't a conventional curtain wall, where an uniform wall of glass, acting as a separate entity of the building, covers the entirity of the facade, usually oblivious to elements such as the structure.
In this case, the cladding is designed for showing the net of structural elements that support the building, with an opaque clading where the columns and diagonal bracings are, with glass in the rest. If they mimic that in that blank concrete wall, I think they are basically making the same thing as in 220 CPS: fake windows. I think they've should let that blank wall entirely with the opaque cladding, to be coherent with the rest of the building, and after all, that blank wall is not that big, it will only go for a few lower stories.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 04:35 AM   #2931
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loving the windows and pretty much everything else.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 09:48 AM   #2932
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Well, this is isn't a conventional curtain wall, where an uniform wall of glass, acting as a separate entity of the building, covers the entirity of the facade, usually oblivious to elements such as the structure.
In this case, the cladding is designed for showing the net of structural elements that support the building, with an opaque clading where the columns and diagonal bracings are, with glass in the rest. If they mimic that in that blank concrete wall, I think they are basically making the same thing as in 220 CPS: fake windows. I think they've should let that blank wall entirely with the opaque cladding, to be coherent with the rest of the building, and after all, that blank wall is not that big, it will only go for a few lower stories.
You can't compare incomparable buildings and designs, especially not ones with completely different proportions and materials of different quality.
But it's okay to put this building at the same level as some others if that makes you feel better.
The building looks great, more importantly, even if the small wall was completely covered with metal, the building would still look great, we can't say the same for some other buildings/designs, right?
At least this one is creative and innovative.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 10:25 AM   #2933
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I think very few people would even realize they are fake windows. They blend in seamlessly with the rest of the cladding.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 10:36 AM   #2934
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they are fake windows.
Fake cladding* (whatever that means)
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Old October 14th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #2935
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Fake cladding* (whatever that means)
Well no. The Windows are fake, the Cladding is not.
It's the same cladding used on the rest of the building.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 04:35 PM   #2936
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Well no...the Cladding is not.
It's the same cladding used on the rest of the building.
My point precisely.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 04:42 PM   #2937
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Well I really like the idea of covering concrete walls with glass. As if this building needed one more thing to make it unique and great looking!
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Old October 14th, 2016, 05:20 PM   #2938
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Well I really like the idea of covering concrete walls with glass. As if this building needed one more thing to make it unique and great looking!
No, this is certainly one brilliant project. Will look amazing when finished.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 05:46 PM   #2939
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You can't compare incomparable buildings and designs, especially not ones with completely different proportions and materials of different quality.
But it's okay to put this building at the same level as some others if that makes you feel better.
The building looks great, more importantly, even if the small wall was completely covered with metal, the building would still look great, we can't say the same for some other buildings/designs, right?
At least this one is creative and innovative.
First of all, I am not comparing the two buildings, what I said, is that for covering those blank walls, they followed similar strategies (although, of course, 220 CPS is a much bigger offender). And BTW I think this building is far more superior as those A. M. Stern towers (at least in the outside design) I am of the ones that doesn't get all the fuss those Stern's towers have. For example I find it awkward the way the pattern of the windows change in 30 Park Place (in the main tower section), I don't find that elegant at all, it seems like random, but I think the crown is ok.

A conventional curtain wall is completely uniform and does not differenciate between openings, structural elements or even blank walls, it just wraps the building facade entirely, that is why, even if the curtain wall covers a blank wall, it can not be considered as fake windows, because it is not a window, it is a cladding made of glass, entirely, it is not intended to differenciate the parts of a building, so it doesn't have to. Where there are windows, the glass functions as a window, if it is a wall, the glass is just a facade covering. To the exterior is all the same, just as you state, I do get your point at that.

But this is not a conventional curtain wall. It has two materials, glass and and an opaque one made of some metal. The two clearly and intentionally differenciate from each other, and unlike a conventional curtain wall, they intend to show a pretty unique structural system to the exterior. The opaque metal covers the structural elements, while the glass covers the rest, that are mostly openings (except for the floor slabs).

But if in a part of a building, they choose to make a pattern that doesn't show the actual structural elements that are behind, as in the rest of the building, according to their own "rules", what can I say, it is indeed fake. And I agree, if they would have clad it with the opaque material, it would still be great, so, I don't know why they didn't do it, That is all I was saying and it wasn't for make me feel better.
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