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Old March 14th, 2010, 07:33 PM   #821
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Maybe i should just edit the post so this doesn't go off topic, Sakai. There, you happy now, pretty much defines the term.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #822
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ffs... build it already.

with the time it takes them to build one building in NY, the Chinese can build an entire block in Shanghai.

it's called falling behind

The state of NY need a new draft plan to ship all the progress curbing NIMBYS off to fight in Afganastan.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #823
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with the time it takes them to build one building in NY, the Chinese can build an entire block in Shanghai.
true! that's politics .
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Old March 19th, 2010, 03:18 AM   #824
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ffs... build it already.

with the time it takes them to build one building in NY, the Chinese can build an entire block in Shanghai.

it's called falling behind

The state of NY need a new draft plan to ship all the progress curbing NIMBYS off to fight in Afganastan.
You don't like the way we do things around here hmmm, thats to bad.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 05:59 AM   #825
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lmao, I know this is a skyscraper forum and all, but it's hilarious/depressing to see how many of you judge a city's progress solely on skyscraper construction
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Old March 19th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #826
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Weird building for New York City, but I still like it
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Old April 1st, 2010, 05:12 PM   #827
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I don't know if these renders have been posted yet , anyway enjoy:















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Old April 1st, 2010, 11:30 PM   #828
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Thanks. This tower is so unbelievable.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 11:16 PM   #829
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Love this tower!!! One of my favorite. Hopefully it will turn really awesome when it get built.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 11:45 PM   #830
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Didn't NYC limit this tower to 1,050 feet? If so, these must be old because they say 1150 feet. Also, in a recent interview. Nouvel said he was still working on the redesign of this tower to meet NYC's requirements.

It's my understanding that the same basic shape will exist, but it will be fatter, as they will keep the same square footage as the taller tower.

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http://www.artsjournal.com/culturegr...oma_tower.html

Nouvel on the Redesigned MoMA/Hines Tower: "More Like a Skyscraper"

Architect Jean Nouvel at press lunch for planned National Museum of Qatar, held yesterday at Museum of Modern Art

Although I was preempted by the NY Time's Nicolai Ouroussoff from reporting on the plans for the National Museum of Qatar, I did elicit some new information from the architect, Jean Nouvel, about his project just next door to the Museum of Modern Art, where the Qatar press lunch was held.

Nouvel told me that he's still working on his redesign of the MoMA/Hines tower, necessitated by the city's requirement that he lop off 200 feet (making it, at 1,050 feet, Chrysler Building-height, down from the Empire State Building height of the original design). He reconfirmed what I've previously reported---that only the height will shrink, not the square footage:
We have to stay with the same volume. But the proportions will not be the same. It will be shorter. It will not be like a spire. It will be more like a skyscraper.

In other words, the City Council's action did nothing to ramp down the building's excessive density in this midblock, partly residential location. It only reined in the excessive height and (along with it) the architectural interest.

At the City Planning Commission's hearings on the project, the architect had proudly described the tapering at the top of the tower in his original design and stated that "it's very important to have this needle at the end and this immateriality at the end." At one point, Nouvel had even suggested to me that he might drop out of the project if the city insisted on the 200-foot height reduction.

Yesterday he told me that he didn't know how long his redesign would take, nor when the tower's construction would begin. He noted that the latter would depend, in part, upon financial conditions (also, presumably, upon resolving the new court challenge by neighborhood residents). When I asked if it would be months or years before groundbreaking took place, he replied, "Not months."

Seeing him seated with Nouvel at yesterday's lunch, I also asked David Penick, the managing partner of this project for the developer, Hines, about the current status of the 53rd Street glass-and-steel, mixed-use tower (which would contain space for MoMA's next expansion). Penick declined to comment.

And in other Nouvel news, Business Intelligence Middle East yesterday reported:


Abu Dhabi's Tourism Development & Investment Company (TDIC) said on Tuesday it has launched the main tender competition [a request for contractors' bids, I presume] for building a branch of the Louvre museum on its flagship development Saadiyat Island.


"The main contract works, the dome, mechanical, electrical, is tendered today," Felix Reinberg, director of projects delivery at TDIC's museum division, told reporters on the sidelines of a tour of the island.

Reinberg said the tendering process would close in June.

Nouvel is the architect for the Louvre Abu Dhabi, which, he said, is now under construction. It is scheduled to open in September 2013.

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Old April 6th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #831
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Why will cut the height of the building? New York has a height limit for buildings?
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Old April 6th, 2010, 10:58 PM   #832
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Damn, that's a nice-looking tower. It'll be a great addition to NYC's skyline.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #833
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Why will cut the height of the building? New York has a height limit for buildings?
I've never heard of any other than the national 2000 ft. limit. The architect didn't want to cut the height of the building; the city council made him.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 08:33 PM   #834
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Same here. Please do not tell me that New York have height limit to protect the view for Empire State Building.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #835
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NYC does not have a height limit (just think of 1WTC... 541m!), it's just about the so called "air rights" and other stuff, like getting permits etc. just read the previous pages and you will get your answer why tower verre was cut off by 200ft. all i can say: amanda burden, indeed a real burden...
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Old April 7th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #836
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Having a fatter tower here will be FAR worse for shadowing and effects on the nearby area than any skinny proposal like the original ever would have been.

If this tower isn't super-skinny, it really defeats the point.

All I can say, is that I hope the base of the tower remains the same. The existing proposal had a beautiful base, as seen in those massive renderings posted above .
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Old April 7th, 2010, 09:37 PM   #837
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Having a fatter tower here will be FAR worse for shadowing and effects on the nearby area than any skinny proposal like the original ever would have been....
I agree with you. Nevertheless, the city ordered the developer to keep the same basic shape. Therefore, this tower, while fatter, at 1,050 feet will still be quite tall and stunning. In some respects, it may have been too thin in its prior form. It should have the proportions of the new Bishopsgate tower in London but taller. It also will have similar proportions to the new tower by de Portzamparc rising nearby on West 57th Street.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #838
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You have reassured me, RobertWalpole

I think this might be one of my favourite towers EVER at the moment. I just am so in love with the above renderings I am scared to see any changes. But the things you mentioned sound promising, so I trust we'll end up with something good. Jean Nouvel is a great architect, too.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 10:27 PM   #839
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As beautiful as it looks in the renders, I really think that it might have looked too thin in person (e.g., like a 300+ meter spire rather than a 300+ meter tower). The same shape but somewhat thicker will be magnificent at 1,050 feet. Also, a 658,000 sf tower at 1,050 feet is still quite slim. By contrast, the de Portzamparc tower rising nearby has about 900,000 sf in the same height.

Most importantly, it's still clearly going forward since the developer recently closed on the air rights and since Nouvel is working on the redesign.

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Old April 8th, 2010, 04:23 AM   #840
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Thanks for the reply. I do not understand about the rights of air. Even more I do not understand much spoken here in the forum, why not live in the U.S. (And do not speak much English).
I just think that New York could have more buildings with a height incredible. While in many places around the world like Hong Kong, Shanghai, Dubai, are blew at the time, NY is on the same height in most buildings.

The initial project provided 320 m high, and now how will it be?

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