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Old August 24th, 2010, 12:47 PM   #1021
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Old August 24th, 2010, 05:23 PM   #1022
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midtown, with this and Carnegie built, would be one of the nicest architectural exhibition around. Old, new, boa, esb.
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Old August 24th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #1023
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Nothing will be like ESB or Chrysler... No mather how tall they build.

They are "the pyramids" of Skyscraper History. If someone build (just because they can) several pyramids 3 times bigger than in Giza, they will be more famous and iconic? Never! Same thing with ESB or Chrysler, just can't beat them, no mather how huge, modern and glitzy are the new ones.
Yes, this is a point oft made and well said Luci. I tend to agree of course - there simply cannot be another time like the 30s. But there is hope. Tower Verre looks very inventive and interesting for something being built in the 2010s. In its own way it will become an icon "almost" as good as these other two.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 01:40 AM   #1024
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Yes I think Tour Verre has the architectural quality to stand alongside the Empire State Building or Chrysler, but it cannot match their place in history. Skyscrapers have become so common now around the world that probably none of the new towers will aquire the fame and stature of the early American classics.
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Old August 25th, 2010, 05:08 AM   #1025
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Old August 26th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #1027
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Who knows ? It might be better than the ESB.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 11:19 AM   #1028
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Yes I think Tour Verre has the architectural quality to stand alongside the Empire State Building or Chrysler, but it cannot match their place in history. Skyscrapers have become so common now around the world that probably none of the new towers will aquire the fame and stature of the early American classics.
Or perhaps, the post-modern world has not delivered a truly magnificent project to match that of ESB and Chrysler. I'm an optimist. I believe that our modern day great architects will deliver.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 12:33 PM   #1029
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Or perhaps, the post-modern world has not delivered a truly magnificent project to match that of ESB and Chrysler. I'm an optimist. I believe that our modern day great architects will deliver.
No I disagree. I think we have lots of towers that are as magnificent. Buildings like Tower Verre, the Shard, SWFC, Khalifa, etc, are easily as impressive as Chrysler or ESB in terms of both architectural beauty and scale. However there are just so many amazing towers going up at once all over the world that it's harder to get noticed.
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Old August 27th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #1030
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No I disagree. I think we have lots of towers that are as magnificent. Buildings like Tower Verre, the Shard, SWFC, Khalifa, etc, are easily as impressive as Chrysler or ESB in terms of both architectural beauty and scale. However there are just so many amazing towers going up at once all over the world that it's harder to get noticed.
i think he was just talking about new york not the whole world ( if he was talking about the whole world then i agree with you )
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Old August 27th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #1031
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Or perhaps, the post-modern world has not delivered a truly magnificent project to match that of ESB and Chrysler. I'm an optimist. I believe that our modern day great architects will deliver.
Well this is a big debate because the ESB was built in 1931 so it really is like the Pyramid at Giza of skyscrapers. Anything built today will have to be a lot better to be said to be better because anyone can build skyscrapers in the year 2010, just look at Shanghai for an example. That is why some of the buildings in Hong Kong will always outshine those on the mainland, because they were built in the 1980s when it was still a challenge not now when you me or my aunt could practically build one. Some things exist now that just didn't 30 years ago, like a couple of hundred million Indian, Chinese and Eastern European outsourced engineers who can work off a 200 dollar notebook more powerful than any business computer that existed in the 1980s and will gladly do it for your lunch money all day long to assist on projects. Then on top of that we have a 200 or 300 million people or more who will gladly move from the country to the city to work as a construction worker, braving death and injury and no decent western hospitals and no decent system of responsibility or compensation except a slap on the back and "such is life" when they lose their arm, just to work all day long building skyscrapers for 20 cents an hour because it's a better life than being in the country.

Back in the 1930s it was all slide rules and people were actually paid a working wage. I remember those days myself!
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Old August 27th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #1032
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Old August 27th, 2010, 06:35 PM   #1033
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i think he was just talking about new york not the whole world ( if he was talking about the whole world then i agree with you )
Well if he's talking just about New York then I agree with him.
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Old August 28th, 2010, 10:46 AM   #1034
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Well this is a big debate because the ESB was built in 1931 so it really is like the Pyramid at Giza of skyscrapers. Anything built today will have to be a lot better to be said to be better because anyone can build skyscrapers in the year 2010, just look at Shanghai for an example.

Back in the 1930s it was all slide rules and people were actually paid a working wage. I remember those days myself!
If I'm all "uuu... aaa... ooo...", about the height of Burj K, considering today's material and tehnologies (Composite Concrete, Special Alloys, Wind Tuner, Computer Design, etc.) I can see this happening.

Still, I can't belive how the hell could they built the Chrysler Building with bricks...

Now that's engineering folks...
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Old August 31st, 2010, 06:18 PM   #1035
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NYC residential market showing faster improvement than rest of nation: experts
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Despite a gloomy outlook for the nation's housing market, New York City industry experts are reporting encouraging news on home prices during the third quarter of the year, according to the Wall Street Journal. Manhattan led the charge, with an 18.5 percent increase in median price compared to the second quarter to $900,000. Queens and Brooklyn saw their median prices climb 6.5 percent to $350,000 and 3.9 percent to $467,600, respectively, during the same time period. Staten Island and the Bronx saw their median prices stay relatively flat, meanwhile -- the former daw a 1.7 percent climb in median price to $376,000, while the latter dropped 1 percent to $310,000. The progress appears to be outpacing the rest of the country, according to Gregory Heym, chief economist with Halstead Property and Brown Harris Stevens. "We didn't lose the number of jobs that we thought and added jobs back quicker than we thought," Heym said. "The [NYC] economy is recovering quicker than it is across the nation." [WSJ]
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Old August 31st, 2010, 06:33 PM   #1036
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another clear sign of NY's recovery. i'm sure tower verre is going to be built, the question remains at which height. maybe there's still a chance the city council gives the 200ft back, after everything what's happening with 15 penn.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 06:42 PM   #1037
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No I disagree. I think we have lots of towers that are as magnificent. Buildings like Tower Verre, the Shard, SWFC, Khalifa, etc, are easily as impressive as Chrysler or ESB in terms of both architectural beauty and scale. However there are just so many amazing towers going up at once all over the world that it's harder to get noticed.
I disagree, Imagine the Transamerica pyramid with shiny facade. SWFC...a tall, beautiful modern building, of course. Architectural beauty prize goes Chrysler time and time again, and was built..80 years ago.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 06:50 PM   #1038
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another clear sign of NY's recovery. i'm sure tower verre is going to be built, the question remains at which height. maybe there's still a chance the city council gives the 200ft back, after everything what's happening with 15 penn.
It will be built at 1,050. There is no way that NYC will increase the height beyond that.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 06:59 PM   #1039
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well then i hope nouvel is able to produce a nice redesign, i'll keep my fingers crossed.
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He is obligated by the city's order to produce the very same design except shrunken down to 1,050 feet.
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