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Old October 18th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #1061
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for many people here on SSC it's all about height, height and height! no matter how fugly a tower might be (no offense to dubai, but it would be the prime example), as long as it is tall, it has to be great. being tall + having a great design + the impact on the skylne; well that's the real deal. just look at shanghai tower - great height and lovely design!

PS: some forumers don't even care about buildings under 1,000 feet which is very sad...
I agree with your point, but this is a different case. This building IS a very good design, and it DOES have a positive impact on the skyline just the way it is at the original height. It is the politicians who don’t have good taste in architecture and demand it be shortened. Architecture is an art, let the architects make the decisions, not politicians.

By their reasoning, we shouldn't build anything tall near the Chrysler Building either. The entire Midtown should be low-rises.
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Old October 18th, 2010, 03:15 AM   #1062
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I agree with your point, but this is a different case. This building IS a very good design, and it DOES have a positive impact on the skyline just the way it is at the original height. It is the politicians who don’t have good taste in architecture and demand it be shortened. Architecture is an art, let the architects make the decisions, not politicians.
Exactly. If this was some faceless box, I wouldn't mind the height reduction. But having a tower of this design reduced in its visibility and impact on the skyline is just a damn shameful waste.
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Old October 18th, 2010, 04:22 AM   #1063
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Here's a video about Torre Verre from a US news show that aired on 17 Oct. 2010:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...ted;photovideo

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6966240.shtml

Here is the partial text of the interview:

Architect Jean Nouvel Makes His Mark on N.Y.
The French Designer Is Adding Two Distinctive Projects to Gotham's Distinguished Skyline

An award-winning French architect is about to leave his mark on the world's most famous skyline: New York City. Anthony Mason reports:

October 17, 2010



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When Jean Nouvel starts sketching ... something unexpected often happens:

"I like to play with architecture ¡ it's my favorite game," he chuckles.

He's designed the Agbar Tower in Barcelona, a concert hall in Copenhagen, the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis, and the Arab World Institute on the banks of the Seine in Paris.

But the 65-year-old French architect is not yet a household name:

"My buildings are more famous than me," he said. He also prefers it that way.

Nouvel is a star in the world of architecture. Two years ago he won its highest honor, the Pritzker Prize.

"Everywhere he goes his project is the biggest of wherever it is," said Justin Davidson, the architecture critic for New York magazine.

"He also creates buildings that have a personality and have a real presence in a place. They're not timid."

Jean Nouvel grew up in southern France, the child of two high school teachers (geography and English). They wanted him to be a scientist. He wanted to be an artist:

"You went to your parents and said, 'I'm going to be a painter,' and they said . . . ?" asked Mason.

"No. No way."

So he used his drawing skills to imagine buildings.

He's now about to make his mark on America's biggest stage, designing two major structures in New York City:

"Was it important for you to make a statement in New York?" asked Mason.

"Of course!" he chuckled. "For an architect, to build in Manhattan, it's kind of a dream."

The first is a residential tower on Manhattan's West Side, with hundreds of irregularly-placed windows tilted at odd angles. He personally placed each window in the building.

From the outside they're designed to reflect the sun and the sky . . . from the inside, to frame the landscape.

"Here, of course, I wanted to catch all the panorama," he said.

In one bedroom he positioned a window so it could perfectly frame the Empire State Building:

"It's like a guardian during the night," he said while reclining on a bed.

Nouvel's other New York project is a building that could rival the Empire State Building . . . a soaring skyscraper that one critic said "promised to be the most exhilarating addition to the skyline in a generation."

"I try to play with the idea of a needle," he said.

The tower would be built on a tiny lot next to the Museum of Modern Art. In Nouvel's original design, the slender spire would have risen 75 stories, higher than the Chrysler Building and almost tall as the Empire State:

"Which is precisely what bothers some people," said Davidson. "For people who reacted negatively to the tower, it seemed arrogant."

Community groups fought the project. New York, a city of skyscrapers, seemed to be afraid of heights:

"Is Nouvel's building worthy of standing alongside the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building?" Mason asked.

"I think so," said Davidson. "It marks the period in which it's being designed so dramatically."

The architect has faced resistance before. There were questions about his striking Barcelona tower:

"Maybe people think I am sexual obsessed with this building!" he laughed. "It's not the case."

In fact, it was meant to echo the unusual rock pinnacles of nearby Montserrat.

And another Nouvel skyscraper, the so-called "Tower Without End," was never built, because of a housing slump in the nineties which left his Paris-based studio in bankruptcy.

He says it wasn't discouraging: "No, it's not in my character."

The City Council finally gave the go-ahead to build - but only if Nouvel chops 200 feet off the top.

"It's very French to cut the head, eh?" Nouvel laughed. "A guillotine!"

So at his Paris studio, Nouvel has gone back to the drawing board, working on a redesign, while his residential tower opened this summer.

"Do you like how it looks now?" he's asked.

"Yeah, I like that. Yes, it's exactly what we wanted."

His aim as an architect, he says, is to give pleasure to people: "I think architecture has to be a gift."

Jean Nouvel is leaving his gifts now across the skyline of the world.

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Old October 18th, 2010, 05:10 AM   #1064
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Still can not believe that a city like New York have cut the height of this building incredible. Unfortunate ...
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Old October 18th, 2010, 05:28 AM   #1065
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Look on the bright side: the NIMBYs wanted this building cancelled. Now when it goes up they get to ask themselves if their "quality of life" is any better with a 1,050' tower vs. a 1,200' tower.
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Old October 18th, 2010, 05:55 AM   #1066
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Absolutely. Still, it is a great victory for us all.

But really it's a shame that in 2010 we can not see with growing NY building with charm as ESB, or Chrysler building.
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Old October 18th, 2010, 06:16 AM   #1067
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Torre Verre has all of the charm as the ESB and Chrysler and 300m is a very tall tower. In London, they're creaming in their pants over the prospect of a 300m tower (i.e., the Shard).

I'm amazed that in a severe, world-wide recession, NY is forging ahead with all of these mega-luxury towers aimed at the $4,000/sf market.
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Old October 18th, 2010, 06:18 AM   #1068
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Hey...we'll take it....build it in Miami, FL....
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:09 AM   #1069
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I have to agree that it's sad that he's ben forced to chop off 200 feet. This building would have been spectacular, I'm starting to think that NYC politicians are holding them selves back. If NYC wants to continue to compete with the rest of the world they need to open up there minds. I mean it's not like there protecting a land mark from being torn down there just dont want any tall building near it. Which isn't fair to the architects and people now
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:22 AM   #1070
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It just seems so silly, a 1200 plus foot box (15 penn plaza) has just been approved to be constructed much closer to ESB which will rival its airspace far far more, not that I'm upset about it, I like 15 penn plaza a lot... and I think that someone needs to come to their senses and build this building back to 1250 feet, or at least compromise at 1150.

But 1050 is still decent though, so we shouln't complain, I'm curious to see what the redesign will look like. The tower would likely be more bulked up due to the fact that it was shortened, if so it could be a pretty striking looking tower and will make a good neighbor for carnegie 57 and that other tall building that's in the works.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:34 AM   #1071
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200ft is not that big of a deal. The tower will still be visible in the skyline. Just like Carnegie 57, it will be a tall and slim tower.
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I really do like this design
Jean Nouvel has some nice ideas from time to time
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when will there be more info or confirmation about it?
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:07 PM   #1073
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I made a model of the tower some months ago, just to see how it would look. And yes. I know that the texturs aren't the best but I like it. Anyways.
Here are som pics of it, in google earth:

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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:07 PM   #1074
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I made a model of the tower some months ago, just to see how it would look. And yes. I know that the texturs aren't the best but I like it. Anyways.
Here are som pics of it, in google earth:

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Old November 14th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #1075
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Where, where, where?!!?
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Old November 15th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #1076
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I made a model of the tower some months ago, just to see how it would look. And yes. I know that the texturs aren't the best but I like it. Anyways.
Here are som pics of it, in google earth:

Fixed. Not too bad.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 07:45 PM   #1077
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NY, London and some other global cities have great demand from foreign buyers at the moment. (See, e.g., the attached article from last week's Financial Times: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/4cf60cf2-e...#axzz15T5l96QC)

Moreover, the low dollar further precipitates strong foreign demand in NY, and sales of very high-end units are booming. One apartment sold at 15 CPW recently for $10,000/sf and another was just listed at that price. Wall Street's boom times doubtlessly contribute to the strong sales.

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/1...or_10kfoot.php

Another 15 Central Park West Apartment Reaches for $10K/Foot
Monday, November 15, 2010, by Sara Polsky
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Whatever Camille Grammer thinks of the place, it's not enough to stop the rise of the $10,000/square foot listing at 15 Central Park West. Last week, a mystery buyer agreed to pay $10,259/square foot for developer William Zeckendorf's 41st-floor unit. A tipster points out another fresh listing in the building that's hovering around the $10K/foot mark. The apartment in question is #33D, which Zachary Jared-Schreiber and his wife bought for $11,190,567 in 2008. The new price is a slightly higher $31.5 million for the 3,173/square foot space. Is this the first in a wave of copycat $10K/foot resale attempts at the Limestone Jesus?
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Old November 17th, 2010, 07:51 PM   #1078
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nicely done on the renderings dude. Maybe cut 200 feet off but still i like how it looks i that area.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 07:22 AM   #1079
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Extremely stupid to chop of 200 feet.

What do they want?

No building to be build in Manhattan taller than ESB?
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Old December 26th, 2010, 04:59 PM   #1080
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Should not have happened, but 200 ft is not a big deal. Because of its slenderness it will still look very tall.
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