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Old May 13th, 2011, 02:57 PM   #1121
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1. Carnegie 57
2. The Drake
3. Torre Verre
4. 225 W 57th
5. 15 Penn
6. 1 WTC
7. 2 WTC
8. 3 WTC
9. Hudson Yards tower, like 4WTC, will either be 1,000'+ or just under.
what is "the drake"?
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Old May 13th, 2011, 04:03 PM   #1122
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I was curious about that one as well.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 08:24 PM   #1123
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I was curious about that one as well.
Here's the thread, it's the site of the former Drake hotel

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1195971
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Old May 13th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #1124
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The Drake is expected to rise to about 375m!
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Old May 13th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #1125
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Jean Nouvel designs wonderful towers. I like Torre Agbar the most, but when Tower Verre is built, he'll be my favourite Jean Nouvel Tower
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Old May 14th, 2011, 02:47 PM   #1126
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Here's the thread, it's the site of the former Drake hotel

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1195971
Oh noes, they didn't demolish the splendid Drake Hotel and those neat lowrise brownstone-alikes for that empty plot, did they? F*ck you NYC! Preserve your darned awesome heritage, dammit! In some way, New York's highrise heritage is also world heritage and should be saved for humanity, as long as Manhattan doesn't go to the bottom of the ocean. UNESCO, we need you now!
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Old May 14th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #1127
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Yeah I'm one of many New Yorker who doesn't like tourist, telling us what to building in our city. Destroying the Drake was wrong but it's gone and there's nothing that can be done about it.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 02:12 AM   #1128
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But you can do something to prevent future crimes like that.
It's not about appealing to tourists, it's about preserving worthy heritage of humanity.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 09:23 AM   #1129
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I'm also one of those New Yorker's, who don't mind if old buildings get knock down and get replaced with something over 800 feet. I'm not apart of any save the building league. Nothing last for ever all these building will need to be replace someday.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #1130
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Sure, let's tear down all this ugly old farting crap like Chrysler Building, Woolworth, MetLife, American Radiator, General Electric, Trump, Rockefeller, Flatiron, ... They sure need to be replaced some day, they're old right?

Damn, how ignorant can you possibly be? What makes NYC unique is its worldwide unbeaten heritage in highrise architecture, not its bland international-style glass and concrete boxes.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 12:47 PM   #1131
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Settle down mate? He was obviously talking about shorter buildings and ones of little significance? People need to stop taking stuff so seriously
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Old May 16th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #1132
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No, it wasn't obvious at all. Since I was mainly speaking about the Drake Hotel which was a significant highrise.
But even so, especially the shorter old ones are pretty significant for Manhattan, since they (in combination with all the higher buildings) make up loads of the place's charm.
And I indeed get in rage when people talk so incautiously about their heritage. It's sad when such people can take decisions for places like NYC.
We lost gems like Singer Building or Penn Station because of their ignorance.


Anyway, let's switch back to Tower Verre.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #1133
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Right, and out of the loss of Penn Station we got the preservation movement which has done wonders for the city. I'm pretty sure every single one of the buildings you named are land marked, meaning the exterior can not be altered at all, ever. There are enormous swaths of Manhattan that are historic neighborhoods, where I live for example in the West Village is all historically protected. So please don't act like anything can get torn down in NY, because that is so far from the truth it is laughable.
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Of course there's a lot of stuff protected in NYC. But why is it buildings like the Drake Hotel apparently aren't? There can't be any reasonable excuse.
In addition, I was furious because of the attitude that anything that's old could be torn down - I didn't say NYC in fact does so.


Anyway, we should discuss this elsewhere, as I just said.
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Old May 17th, 2011, 10:32 AM   #1135
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Apparently Drake Hotel got the wrecking ball before the city's Landmark Preservation Commission can get their hands on it. Or did anyone proposed this structure for a landmark status at all? Even if the LPC designates a building a landmark, the city council has 120 days from the time of the LPC filing to modify or disapprove the designation. A majority vote is required. The city mayor can veto the city council vote within five days and the city council can override a mayoral veto by two-thirds vote within 10 days. The process is not that simple.
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I was talking about the short meaning less buildings. New York is a working city, not some amusement park. We replace older out of date buildings, with new safer ones.

Erbse The land the Drake was on, was worth more than the building. The Preservation Commission drop the ball. The Drake should have been landmark years ago.
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Sadly, Americans don't value old structures.
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Old May 17th, 2011, 02:53 PM   #1138
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Erbse The land the Drake was on, was worth more than the building.
There are other values than just monetary ones, you know.
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Not if you are a developer and owner of a "historic building". I mean, i am for preserving the architectual treasures of midtown, but given the current shortage of high end condominiums and class A office space i fear that we will unfortunately witness further demolitions. What they could do is, preserve the facade, reintagrate it into the new entrance for the tower, build a setback at the street wall height and build the tower above it. So they would solve 2 aims in one mission.
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I'm not much of a friend of such solutions, but that's at least better than a total levelling and disappearance of a building.
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