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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:23 AM   #1421
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Its design is incredible but it lacks height. At the end I think it will be overshadowed by 1WTC because of that.
It lacks height?

320 meters is a very, very tall building, by anyone's standards, just because a select few go 4-500 meters and above doesn't make a 300 meter building remotely small.

I feel like this building could end up taller anyway (maybe back to 380 meters), now that taller developments are surrounding it.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #1422
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I feel like this building could end up taller anyway (maybe back to 380 meters), now that taller developments are surrounding it.
Yeah, what's Burden's argument now? Practically, the ESB will be surrounded by huge towers in the 400m range. Nouvel should sue that b*tch for making such a horrible decision.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 03:30 PM   #1423
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Might sound like a stupid suggestion but why not in the not to distant future if there is enough MONEY rebuild the ESB at a taller height say 450-500m. I do truly admire an love the ESB and think it should be preserved but if we can upgrade it. It can become an even bigger icon.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #1424
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Yeah, what's Burden's argument now? Practically, the ESB will be surrounded by huge towers in the 400m range. Nouvel should sue that b*tch for making such a horrible decision.
I think they've had enough headaches by now. It's time to just get it built.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #1425
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Might sound like a stupid suggestion but why not in the not to distant future if there is enough MONEY rebuild the ESB at a taller height say 450-500m. I do truly admire an love the ESB and think it should be preserved but if we can upgrade it. It can become an even bigger icon.
A building can't be upgraded like that. They could only raze it and then build a new taller one, which is a horrible idea. It is the greatest art deco achievement of all times and razing it would be an unforgivable crime
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Old May 14th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #1426
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^ Agreed (except that Chrysler Building is architectonically more sophisticated and a pure Art Deco dream).


Anyway, the shorter 320m design suits the Tower Verre way better than the initial 380m one.
So I say keep it. Keep it! Ja.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 02:04 AM   #1427
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I agree Chrysler building a better form of Art Deco than ESB. Do I think Chrysler better building than ESB, no.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #1428
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MoMA, Develop Don't Destroy

5/15/2012
Julie V. Iovine

MoMA has long since proved its might in terms of establishing an agenda for art, and particularly architecture stretching from Philip Johnson’s groundbreaking International Style show of 1938 to Barry Bergdoll’s Rising Currents exhibition last year. And so it is paramount that MoMA use its considerable clout and weigh in decisively on the fate of the American Folk Art Museum (AFAM), now standing empty and engulfed on three sides by MoMA, the building itself to the east and property it owns and plans to develop with Gerald Hines on the west and north. MoMA, in fact, owns the AFAM building having bailed out the struggling institution last summer when it was forced to give up its flagship due to fiscal mismanagement and retreat to a second-floor gallery near Lincoln Center. It’s hard not to hear the licking of chops: Jean Nouvel’s supertall for the site currently works its way around and behind AFAM but it would surely make real estate sense to simply gulp it up.

Something has to be done to prevent the cannibalism of a small icon by an as yet to be built icon, if only to prove that contemporary architecture is not instantly disposable. In an impromptu conversation with a Hines vice president, I was told that the developer would as soon see the building erased from the site, but that Hines was waiting to hear from MoMA, noticeably silent on the subject. Tod Williams and Billie Tsien are also hanging fire. At a press conference for the new Barnes Foundation in Philadelphia, Williams spoke with anguish and concern about the fate of AFAM. He knows that New York real estate is a take-no-prisoners game, but he is still hopeful, noting that one of the museum’s floors aligns perfectly with one of MoMA’s. Williams said he, too, has heard from no one at MoMA.

There are compelling reasons for MoMA to come up with a solution and a way to incorporate at least the AFAM fašade into the new tower that will be conjoined to the museum only at a few interior levels. Several expansions of the museum have all included the original 1939 Goodwin and Stone facade. Paul Goldberger has suggested online that MoMA turn AFAM into a home for its director, something like Saarinen’s house for the director of Cranbrook. Surely MoMA can do better (Besides, Glen Lowry is already comfortably ensconced in the Museum Tower). At a time when MoMA is talking the talk of responsible treatment of quality resources and of architecture’s ability to solve complex problems, it should act accordingly and find a way to incorporate not destroy AFAM.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 04:22 AM   #1429
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There is massive demand for this tower.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/re...d.html?_r=1&hp

Midtown Penthouse Is Sold for Most Ever in New York

By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO

Published: May 17, 2012



A mystery buyer has agreed to pay a record price in New York of more than $90 million for the duplex penthouse at a Midtown tower, the building’s developer said Thursday.

Gary Barnett, president of Extell Development Company, said the buyer, who declined to be named or to disclose his country of origin, bought the 10,923-square-foot penthouse on the 89th and 90th floors of One57, the building currently under construction at 157 West 57th Street.

The building, which features a Park Hyatt below the condominium units, will offer striking views of the southern end of Central Park and will be among New York’s tallest residential structures when it is completed next year. Since One57 opened for sales in December, about half of its 92 apartments have been sold, Mr. Barnett said.
While Mr. Barnett would not reveal the exact amount the buyer agreed to pay for the penthouse, citing a confidentiality agreement, he said it was less than $100 million. The price nevertheless tops the $88 million that a trust benefiting the daughter of a Russian billionaire, Dmitry Rybolovlev, paid this year for a penthouse at 15 Central Park West owned by the former Citigroup chairman Sanford I. Weill. Besides being a record sale for an apartment in Manhattan, that purchase also drew gasps for the record price paid per square foot: more than $13,000.

The One57 penthouse, which features 23-foot ceilings in a grand salon, traded for about $8,000 per square foot, Mr. Barnett said. He called the purchase by the Rybolovlevs, agreed to late last year, “not a good deal,” saying the market for superluxury properties in New York should be closer to $10,000 per square foot.

Foreign buyers, including Brazilians, Chinese and Russians, have been on a buying spree in New York and Miami in recent months, developers and brokers say. Russian and Ukrainian buyers have shown a particular willingness to pay top dollar for so-called trophy properties.

Mr. Barnett was quick to dispel any notion that the One57 penthouse was sold to a Russian, saying the buyer was not Russian, Ukrainian or from “any other part of the former Soviet Union.”

He described the buyer as a “very nice family” who plans to use the penthouse as a residence, and as “someone that people would recognize.” The sale had been a well-kept secret; the buyer agreed to buy the penthouse more than three months ago, he said, when the apartment was listed at $98.5 million — before Extell raised the asking price to $115 million to adjust for the market tumult caused by the 15 Central Park West sale.

Despite setting a record, the One57 penthouse did not crack the elusive $100 million barrier for a residence, which has not been broken either in New York or in Los Angeles. Mr. Barnett said he nearly broke it with a different apartment at One57.

Earlier this year, he said, a foreign buyer was “very, very seriously looking” at the “Winter Garden” unit, a duplex with a separate solarium totaling 13,500 square feet. The buyer was negotiating to buy that apartment and another full floor — a combination of floors 75 to 77 that would have been 20,000 square feet. The price would have been between $100 and $150 million, Mr. Barnett said.

He would not say why the deal fell through.

“I am hopeful we will break it one day,” he said of the $100 million barrier, “in this building or another one.”
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Old May 18th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #1430
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I seriously cant wait for this one to start... amazing design and it will compliment one57 beautifully!
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Old May 19th, 2012, 03:55 AM   #1431
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Hines just started a 45 story office tower in Chicago without a tennant!

They mean business. This sucker could get going at any time!
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Old May 21st, 2012, 08:42 PM   #1432
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My outrage over this vs. 432 Park. ULURP explanation for all of you as well--it isn't that complicated, it's merely unfair.

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/201...ode-major.html

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Structures built as-of-right, like 432 Park Avenue, require no approvals because they stick to the zoning code in the neighborhood where they are being built. No land-use review is necessary, as long as structures conform to the code and the amount of space they are allowed to contain. Thus, 432 Park will be rising to approximately 1,400 feet with no public input.

If modifications to the zoning code are necessary--as in the case of Torre Verre--proposals must go through ULURP, the city's long, arduous, and convoluted process for approving exceptions to the zoning code. While NIMBYs have no say regarding structures built as-of-right, those that go through ULURP are beholdent to neighborhood criticism and, ultimately, the whims of the City Planning Commission. Thus, the Torre Verre had its height chopped; Amanda Burden found the design unsatisfactory, and decreed that the building did not deserve to rise as tall as the Empire State.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:48 PM   #1433
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Even if they would be equally tall I would still like 432 Park more than Verre, though I agree that shortening Verre was a horrible thing to happen
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:18 PM   #1434
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Even if they would be equally tall I would still like 432 Park more than Verre, though I agree that shortening Verre was a horrible thing to happen
Why ? Verre is something of architectural beauty, 432 is something of mediocrity.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:20 PM   #1435
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Stirrings of life on $126M site next to MoMA
Developer Hines taps Corcoran Sunshine to market and sell units in its long-stalled 1,050-foot tower next to the museum on West 53rd Street.

By Amanda Fung @amandafung
May 21, 2012


The developer of the planned Jean Nouvel-designed, residential spire next to The Museum of Modern Art in midtown has retained Corcoran Sunshine Marketing Group as its exclusive sales and marketing agent, a sign that the stalled project is again moving forward.

The tower, to rise at West 53rd Street between Fifth and Sixth avenues, was first announced in 2007 but was put on hold like other major new projects across the city due to the recession. Last year, however, the project's developer Hines filed updated plans for the 1,050-foot tower and those plans were approved by the City Planning Commission. Details of the plans could not be obtained immediately.

"Corcoran Sunshine has always had a great relationship with Hines, a longtime client of the firm, and for the past several years we've been working on the planning and design of this landmark property," said Kelly Kennedy Mack, president of Corcoran Sunshine, in a statement, declining to elaborate on the project. "It will be the ultimate destination for the world's most elite buyers."

Hines declined to comment.

Originally the developer wanted to build a 1,250-foot tower but that plan was rejected by the City Planning Commission. The revised plan did not need to go through the public city review process again because it fell within the building guidelines that were established and approved in 2009.

It is unclear what Hines' current plans for the tower are and what the building will look like. According to published reports, the updated plans for the tower call for a 78-story building with 480,000 square feet of apartments atop a 92,000-square-foot hotel. It will also include space for MoMa as well as a restaurant space. Hines closed on the purchase of the 53 W. 53rd St. site from MoMa for roughly $125.5 million five years ago, according to public records.

Separately, in another coup for Corcoran Sunshine, it was announced Monday that the firm will work on a new major condo development out in the Hamptons. Cape Advisors Inc. the developer behind the residential conversion project of the historic Bulova Watchcase Factory in Sag Harbor tapped Corcoran Sunshine as the project's exclusive sales and marketing agent. The former factory, built in 1881, has been vacant since 1979 and Cape Advisors has been restoring the building into a 64-unit condo building with studios to four bedrooms, penthouses and townhouses. Sales will start early next year.



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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:26 PM   #1437
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:28 PM   #1438
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Fantastic news! This is by far the best skyscraper in the works in NYC.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:36 PM   #1439
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It is unclear what Hines' current plans for the tower are and what the building will look like.
It is all great of course, but this bit bothers me. Wasn't the design final (regardless of it's height)? Does it mean it may still have completely different one?
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78 stories?? So there is a chance of an increasing in its height? I hope so!
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