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Old November 30th, 2007, 03:40 PM   #181
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Rotterdam is going to build a stadium with a capacity of 100.000 seats. The cost will be at €800 million.

It's going to be build next to the present Feyenoord stadium(capacity 51.177).
Is this definite??
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Old November 30th, 2007, 03:58 PM   #182
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Is this definite??
No, just rumors. Club representatives have apparently said 80000 to 100000. The only "official" number that has leaked out in press releases was 75000.

Time will tell. But this statement (even it will be true eventually) is, for now, nothing more than a somewhat informed rumor.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #183
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It's probably a planning trick: "You can't be serious 100,000 seater stadium, it is too much pollution, too much hate-mongering, too many authoritarians, it will ruin the place, it is not sustainable you stadium loving bastards", "Damn I guess we'll have to settle for a measly 75,000, curse you all too hell".

(*Most planning applications have that much passion in them).
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 12:42 PM   #184
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No, just rumors. Club representatives have apparently said 80000 to 100000. The only "official" number that has leaked out in press releases was 75000.

Time will tell. But this statement (even it will be true eventually) is, for now, nothing more than a somewhat informed rumor.
That 100.000 literly came out of the mouths from Feyenoord commercieel managers several times. I saw it on TV on TV-Rijnmond(Local Rotterdam TV-station) on 21 November. A minimum of 75.000 seats to a maximum of 100.000 seats. The larger one is preferred by Feyenoord.

"De Telegraaf" newspaper also mentions that.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 05:59 PM   #185
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It is to firm to say that Feyenoord is going to build a 100 000 seater stadium, but...
Sure thing is that the minimum is 75 000 and the maximum is 100 000, if they land up in the middle it would get a cap of 87 500 which would be a fantastic big stadium! Even 75 000 is equal to the new Anfield stadium, ´full extanded fursion´.
I think this should be the least position that Feyenoord should aim fore because history/ stadiumwise that´s where it atleast belongs.

Even 87 500 sounds very high in my ears and 100 000 almoust ridiculess, but.... If the Netherlands ever would want to have something like Olympics in their country, this stadium might be the almoust the only chance we would ever get. Maybe not directly to be carried out, but an option to extend ´easely´ to 87 500 or maybe even 100 000, should be kept in mind when designing the stadium.

Do not forget that the original Kuip had a cap of 63 000 back in 1936. (and it costed 100 000 guilders, which is 45 000 euros!!!, you can´t even get the ground to build a house nowadays.)
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Old December 4th, 2007, 07:27 PM   #186
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Im all for it, but what are you guys going to do?
You guys are heavily densed and dont have much space for new stadiums.

So whats the next solution? upgrading stadiums? From Euro 2000?
But with a small population and so forth, what is the point of making a 50,000 stadium in a city or a county with no more than 50-75,000 people?

but anyways, i wish you guys luck.
How about giving the Israel-Palestinians a shot at the World Cup?
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Yeah, it's densed. Yeah, we have a lot of space for new stadiums.

Cities with 50-75000 people? Holland has 25 and Belgium has 8 municipalities with more then 100,000 people:

Holland
Name - Province - Population:
1 Amsterdam Noord-Holland 744.740
2 Rotterdam Zuid-Holland 581.615
3 Den Haag (The Hague) Zuid-Holland 474.245
4 Utrecht Utrecht 290.529
5 Eindhoven Noord-Brabant 209.601
6 Tilburg Noord-Brabant 200.975
7 Almere Flevoland 181.990
8 Groningen Groningen 180.824
9 Breda Noord-Brabant 170.451
10 Nijmegen Gelderland 160.732
11 Apeldoorn Gelderland 155.328
12 Enschede Overijssel 154.311
13 Haarlem Noord-Holland 147.179
14 Arnhem Gelderland 142.638
15 Zaanstad Noord-Holland 141.829
16 Amersfoort Utrecht 139.914
17 Haarlemmermeer (hoofdplaats: Hoofddorp) Noord-Holland 139.396
18 's-Hertogenbosch Noord-Brabant 135.787
19 Zoetermeer Zuid-Holland 118.534
20 Dordrecht Zuid-Holland 118.443
21 Maastricht Limburg 118.378
22 Leiden Zuid-Holland 117.363
23 Zwolle Overijssel 115.144
24 Emmen Drenthe 108.929
25 Ede Gelderland 107.528

Belgium:
1. Antwerpen 466.203
2. Gent 235.143
3. Charleroi 201.550
4. Luik 188.907
5. Brussel 145.917
6. Brugge 116.982
7. Schaarbeek 113.493
8. Namen 107.653

And the suburbs and stuff are NOT counted in this list...

The market for big footballclubs and thus big stadiums should be available.

Belgium has six actively used airports, Holland has five, but soon six as well. Also Belgium is connected to the high-speed European network of trains and Holland will be next year. Both countries have extensive national train networks to travel easily thoughout the countries.
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Remember how the Belgians were criticising England over hooligans. What about this you bunch of murdering hate monkeys, anything to say about it or is attacking Black People still acceptable in the land that brought us Rwanda's genocide.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/7131955.stm

Uefa to take action on Anderlecht

Uefa have opened disciplinary proceedings against Anderlecht following an incident during Thursday's match against Tottenham.

Spurs' Didier Zokora appeared to be hit by objects thrown from the crowd during the 1-1 Uefa Cup draw at the Constant Vanden Stock Stadium in Brussels.

Goalkeeper Paul Robinson also picked up a metal rod which he handed to the fourth official after the match.

Spurs boss Juande Ramos later expressed his concern for his players' safety.

The Belgian side have already been fined for crowd disturbances during a Champions League qualifier earlier in the season against Fenerbahce and Uefa officials will take previous cases into consideration when they meet.

The punishments range from a fine to expulsion from the tournament.

"The control and disciplinary body will meet on 13 December to make a decision on this case," a Uefa spokesman said.
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Old December 8th, 2007, 06:16 PM   #188
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Yeah, it's densed. Yeah, we have a lot of space for new stadiums.

Cities with 50-75000 people? Holland has 25 and Belgium has 8 municipalities with more then 100,000 people:

Holland
Name - Province - Population:
1 Amsterdam Noord-Holland 744.740
2 Rotterdam Zuid-Holland 581.615
3 Den Haag (The Hague) Zuid-Holland 474.245
4 Utrecht Utrecht 290.529
5 Eindhoven Noord-Brabant 209.601
6 Tilburg Noord-Brabant 200.975
7 Almere Flevoland 181.990
8 Groningen Groningen 180.824
9 Breda Noord-Brabant 170.451
10 Nijmegen Gelderland 160.732
11 Apeldoorn Gelderland 155.328
12 Enschede Overijssel 154.311
13 Haarlem Noord-Holland 147.179
14 Arnhem Gelderland 142.638
15 Zaanstad Noord-Holland 141.829
16 Amersfoort Utrecht 139.914
17 Haarlemmermeer (hoofdplaats: Hoofddorp) Noord-Holland 139.396
18 's-Hertogenbosch Noord-Brabant 135.787
19 Zoetermeer Zuid-Holland 118.534
20 Dordrecht Zuid-Holland 118.443
21 Maastricht Limburg 118.378
22 Leiden Zuid-Holland 117.363
23 Zwolle Overijssel 115.144
24 Emmen Drenthe 108.929
25 Ede Gelderland 107.528

Belgium:
1. Antwerpen 466.203
2. Gent 235.143
3. Charleroi 201.550
4. Luik 188.907
5. Brussel 145.917
6. Brugge 116.982
7. Schaarbeek 113.493
8. Namen 107.653

And the suburbs and stuff are NOT counted in this list...

The market for big footballclubs and thus big stadiums should be available.

Belgium has six actively used airports, Holland has five, but soon six as well. Also Belgium is connected to the high-speed European network of trains and Holland will be next year. Both countries have extensive national train networks to travel easily thoughout the countries.
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Old December 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM   #189
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It's not bull, the numbers for thos three municipalities are correct. However, their core cities/towns are much smaller. Just like your beloved city of Apeldoorn (pop. 136k) has about 20,000 inhabitants less than the municipality (155k).
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Why he says the suburbs are not incluided then?
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He has listed the municipalities because there are hardly any lists available that only list the core cities. Most municipalities include a core city and some annexed suburbs (often grown together but not always). Out of the list above only the likes of The Hague, Eindhoven, Haarlem and Leiden do not include annexed suburbs.

There is some list on Wikipedia that only shows the core cities, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: here it is

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Rang	Naam  	 	 Provincie   	Inwoners 2006   Exclusief
1 	Amsterdam 	 Noord-Holland 	739.510 	Driemond en Landelijk Noord
2 	Rotterdam 	 Zuid-Holland 	539.960 	Hoek van Holland, Hoogvliet en Pernis
3 	Den Haag 	 Zuid-Holland 	475.630 	
4 	Utrecht 	 Utrecht 	251.130 	Vleuten, De Meern en Haarzuilens
5 	Eindhoven 	 Noord-Brabant 	209.170 	
6 	Tilburg 	 Noord-Brabant 	181.210 	Berkel-Enschot en Udenhout
7 	Groningen 	 Groningen 	165.610 	Engelbert, Hoogkerk, Middelbert en Noorderhoogebrug
8 	Nijmegen 	 Gelderland 	151.230 	Lent en Oosterhout
9 	Haarlem 	 Noord-Holland 	147.020 	
10 	Arnhem 		 Gelderland 	140.430 	Schaarsbergen
11 	Breda 		 Noord-Brabant 	138.650 	Bavel, Effen, Prinsenbeek, Teteringen en Ulvenhout
12 	Apeldoorn 	 Gelderland 	136.920 	Beekbergen, Hoenderloo, Hoog Soeren, Klarenbeek, Lieren, Loenen, Uddel en Ugchelen
13 	Enschede 	 Overijssel 	130.960 	Boekelo, Glanerbrug, Lonneker en Usselo
14 	Amersfoort 	 Utrecht 	124.550 	Hoogland en Hooglanderveen
15 	Dordrecht 	 Zuid-Holland 	118.820 	
16 	Leiden	 	 Zuid-Holland 	118.070 	
17 	Maastricht 	 Limburg 	117.340 	Borgharen en Itteren
18 	Zoetermeer 	 Zuid-Holland 	116.980 	
19 	Zwolle 		 Overijssel 	110.660 	Brinkhoek, Haerst, Herfte, Langenholte, Wijthmen en Windesheim
20 	Almere Stad 	 Flevoland 	104.860 	de stadsdelen Buiten, Haven, Poort en Hout
21 	's-Hertogenbosch Noord-Brabant 	101.510 	Bokhoven, Empel, Engelen, Kruisstraat, Maliskamp en Rosmalen

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Why he says the suburbs are not incluided then?
Because he gave the population figures of the municipalities obviously, not the urban areas or something.
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Because he gave the population figures of the municipalities obviously, not the urban areas or something.
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He has listed the municipalities because there are hardly any lists available that only list the core cities. Most municipalities include a core city and some annexed suburbs (often grown together but not always). Out of the list above only the likes of The Hague, Eindhoven, Haarlem and Leiden do not include annexed suburbs.

There is some list on Wikipedia that only shows the core cities, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: here it is

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Rang	Naam  	 	 Provincie   	Inwoners 2006   Exclusief
1 	Amsterdam 	 Noord-Holland 	739.510 	Driemond en Landelijk Noord
2 	Rotterdam 	 Zuid-Holland 	539.960 	Hoek van Holland, Hoogvliet en Pernis
3 	Den Haag 	 Zuid-Holland 	475.630 	
4 	Utrecht 	 Utrecht 	251.130 	Vleuten, De Meern en Haarzuilens
5 	Eindhoven 	 Noord-Brabant 	209.170 	
6 	Tilburg 	 Noord-Brabant 	181.210 	Berkel-Enschot en Udenhout
7 	Groningen 	 Groningen 	165.610 	Engelbert, Hoogkerk, Middelbert en Noorderhoogebrug
8 	Nijmegen 	 Gelderland 	151.230 	Lent en Oosterhout
9 	Haarlem 	 Noord-Holland 	147.020 	
10 	Arnhem 		 Gelderland 	140.430 	Schaarsbergen
11 	Breda 		 Noord-Brabant 	138.650 	Bavel, Effen, Prinsenbeek, Teteringen en Ulvenhout
12 	Apeldoorn 	 Gelderland 	136.920 	Beekbergen, Hoenderloo, Hoog Soeren, Klarenbeek, Lieren, Loenen, Uddel en Ugchelen
13 	Enschede 	 Overijssel 	130.960 	Boekelo, Glanerbrug, Lonneker en Usselo
14 	Amersfoort 	 Utrecht 	124.550 	Hoogland en Hooglanderveen
15 	Dordrecht 	 Zuid-Holland 	118.820 	
16 	Leiden	 	 Zuid-Holland 	118.070 	
17 	Maastricht 	 Limburg 	117.340 	Borgharen en Itteren
18 	Zoetermeer 	 Zuid-Holland 	116.980 	
19 	Zwolle 		 Overijssel 	110.660 	Brinkhoek, Haerst, Herfte, Langenholte, Wijthmen en Windesheim
20 	Almere Stad 	 Flevoland 	104.860 	de stadsdelen Buiten, Haven, Poort en Hout
21 	's-Hertogenbosch Noord-Brabant 	101.510 	Bokhoven, Empel, Engelen, Kruisstraat, Maliskamp en Rosmalen
This one looks better, sorry but Emmen in a list like that, was realy to much for me All respect to the Emmen Zoo ofcourse!
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I'm gathering stadia info to put on my 2018 WC thread, are there solid plans or renders of 10+ stadia over 40,000 seats already that I can pinch? I can only think of 3.
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stadium of Genk (that will be expanded to 40000-45000):

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[QUOTE=genkie456;17260679]stadium of Genk (that will be expanded to 40000-45000)

As far as I know, nothing is certain on this expansion yet, or am I wrong?
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