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Old December 22nd, 2007, 04:58 PM   #201
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The stadium in Genk will be expaned if Belgium and the Netherlands manage to get the world cup
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Old December 24th, 2007, 08:06 PM   #202
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The stadium (now 25 000) will certainly be expanded to 35000. If benelux will organise the WC, it will be expanded to 45000
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Old December 31st, 2007, 03:19 PM   #203
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A movie of the current stadium:

http://www.bluewhitezone.be/CristalArena.wmv
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 12:49 PM   #204
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Nice stadium, looks a little bit like the Anderlecht stadium, which I like to by the way.
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 05:29 PM   #205
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Why he says the suburbs are not incluided then?
Because on most international lists they give figures for the metropolitan area or at least the urban area. That's why you always see Paris listed with about 10-12 million while in actuality it only has two million. L.A. is often listed as 12 million while the city itsself has 3.8 million. London is listed as approx. 12 million while the city itsself has only 9200!

Rotterdam is about 585000, but the urban area is about 1.2 million. The metropolitan area could be about 3 million because The Hague could be added, just like with Dallas-Fort Worth, Minneapolis-St. Paul or Seattle-Tacoma.
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Old January 3rd, 2008, 03:35 PM   #206
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The flemmish government is going to invest in flemmish stadiums:

for a minority participation in the stadium:

brugge will get 13 mio euro's
Gent will get 10 mio euro's
Anderlecht or National stadium in schaerbeek (if anderlecht is going to play there) will get 13 mio euro's (brussels)
Antwerp will get 10 mio euro's
Genk will get 4 mio euro's

The government will also support other stadium development plans (6 stadiums: molenbeek (brussels), leuven , lokeren, lier, waregem, mechelen).

The money may not exceed 25% of total amount of the cost of buiding or rebuilding the stadium. The stadiums must also be muntifuncional. These plans are apart from a WC organisation and will always be executed.

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Old January 3rd, 2008, 05:27 PM   #207
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Why does the Flemish government invest in Brussels? I know it is their capital but it is also a different region. Belgian politics is way too complicated
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Old January 3rd, 2008, 07:19 PM   #208
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There is a minority in brussel who is flemish. The flemish government is responsable for person related policy concerning that minority. The region of Brussels Capital is responsable for ground+ buildings related policy concerning that minority. The flemish government wants 'flemish' friendly stadiums in brussels I think. But you are right, investing in stadiums in brussels is not the responsability of the flemish government.

But the flemish government has too much money:

-flanders is whole debtfree in 2008
-they have two funds : carefund (800 mio) + futurefund (500 mio)
-They promise a reduction of taxes of 250 euro/flemish working person
-Take over debts of municipalities (-610 mio) if the municipalities don't raise their taxes and debts, causing more space for policy for municipalities.
-Take over all provincial roads
-1.8 milliard more space for policy in 2008 than in 2007
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And the federal government has too less. That's why flemish people want reforms (more policy for flanders with appropriate distribution of money). But the french don't want it.

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Old January 4th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #209
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Flemish friendly means visitors have to proof to speak Dutch?
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Old January 7th, 2008, 04:38 AM   #210
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The Amsterdam city counsel wants to built a new stadium with an 80000 to 90000 capacity. It should be finished before 2018 and be build in between Amsterdam and Almere. They want to drain (hey, we're Dutch) a small part of the IJmeer that's in between both cities. They obviously want it to be part of the WC 2018 bid (It will be a fierce battle with the new Feyenoord stadium on who would get the final) and the centerpiece for a (likely) 2028 Olympics bid.

http://www.ad.nl/sport/voetbal/article1945665.ece

Unfortunately it's in Dutch (it's a well respected paper by the way. Not some sort of shabby tabloid)

I guess expanding the Arena was to expensive (and it still wouldn't be a possible olympics venue).
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Old January 7th, 2008, 12:35 PM   #211
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Alway funny to see the race between Rotterdam and Amsterdam!
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Old January 7th, 2008, 04:15 PM   #212
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Will it have permanent athletic tracks or like Stade de France, Nou Mestalla etc?
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Old January 7th, 2008, 04:31 PM   #213
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Will it have permanent athletic tracks or like Stade de France, Nou Mestalla etc?
No idea. There are no renders or official plans. Several newspapers have quoted however that Amsterdam wants Ajax to move there. Ajax and the council will start talks about that this week. When the Arena was built, it needed Ajax to make it profitable. Given all the non-football events that it hosts nowadays it could be profitable without Ajax as a multi-purpose events complex.

Ajax would never move there if it would have a permanent athletics track.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 06:19 PM   #214
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60 tot 80 million , that is much too less.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #215
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60 tot 80 million , that is much too less.
Definitely. I have no idea why she came up with that number. It could be correct if it would be the amount that the city wants to invest. The other 300m could come from private market. That would be pretty realistic. The Arena had a similar financial construction. although it was much cheaper at ~120m euro's (265m guilders)

The plans for the IJmeer construction have already been dropped by the way. Ajax, the Arena and the Amsterdam city council will talk in the coming weeks about roughly 5 options:

- Leave everything as is. (highly unlikely)
- Amsterdam Arena expansion (given the structure quite expansive and if there would be a 2028 OG bid there would still be a need for a new stadium)
- New Stadium on land in-between Amsterdam and Almere
- New Stadium to the north of Amsterdam. It could then be connected to the newly build north-south metro line.
- A floating (seriously!!) stadium near the coast in the northsea or the IJsselmeer.

Option 1 won't happen. Option 5 would disqualify it as the new Ajax stadium (which the city wants it to be) and it would be be grotesquely expensive: Won't happen.

My personal preference would be a new stadium with a way to cover the athletics track with stands. A sort of improved version over the "stade de France" one. It still isn't ideal for football. It wouldn't need a retractable roof. The Arena could then be the second WC 2018 stadium in Amsterdam. After that, it could be made into a great events complex. The problem with the Arena in it's current form is that it's to much of an events center to be a good football stadium, but to much of a football stadium to make it ideal for events. If you build a new stadium, Amsterdam could have worldclass venues for both.


A decision will be made within 2008.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 12:45 AM   #216
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The plan for a new stadium in Amsterdam has been shot down for the time beeing by the city councel of Amsterdam by a 7-0 vote...
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Old January 9th, 2008, 01:33 AM   #217
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The plan for a new stadium in Amsterdam has been shot down for the time beeing by the city councel of Amsterdam by a 7-0 vote...
From where did you get that? I can't find anything on that. The IJmeer site has already been rejcted. But that's it.

All cities have to finish their plans before 2009 to be part of the WC bid. One thing is pretty certain, Amsterdam has learned from their humiliation in 2000 by missing the final. Being "Amsterdam" would be enough they thought... This time they won't be that arrogant and in 2008 there will be atleast 1 +70000 stadium in Amsterdam. Wheter it will be an extended Arena or a new stadion is a matter of wait and see.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #218
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According to the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper the Amsterdam Arena wants to expand with one or more extra tiers to a capacity of at least 70,000 while the city council also wants this new stadium (which will most likely be an athletics I presume) to be constructed somewhere in Greater Amsterdam (which runs from IJmuiden in the west to Hilversum in the east).
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Old January 9th, 2008, 04:37 PM   #219
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I wonder what Ajax plans to do if a new 80k stadium is constructed in Amsterdam? I can hardly imagine they'd fill 80k seats on a regular basis, nor can i imagine that the Amsterdam Arena will be demolished after only 20 or 25 years.

Maybe the best solution would be if Ajax would stay in the Amsterdam Arena, and the new 80k stadium becomes a sort of 'national stadium'. This could be the home of our national stadium, the venue for the Cup final and for athletic events, and Ajax could play in their games against Feyenoord, PSV and AZ in this stadium. Just my thoughts though.

Amsterdam North would be a good location for such a stadium; the accessability will be good with the new subway line completed by then, there is plenty of space to construct a large stadium, and it will help to put the North of Amsterdam on the map.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 05:02 PM   #220
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I wonder what Ajax plans to do if a new 80k stadium is constructed in Amsterdam? I can hardly imagine they'd fill 80k seats on a regular basis, nor can i imagine that the Amsterdam Arena will be demolished after only 20 or 25 years.

Maybe the best solution would be if Ajax would stay in the Amsterdam Arena, and the new 80k stadium becomes a sort of 'national stadium'. This could be the home of our national stadium, the venue for the Cup final and for athletic events, and Ajax could play in their games against Feyenoord, PSV and AZ in this stadium. Just my thoughts though.

Amsterdam North would be a good location for such a stadium; the accessability will be good with the new subway line completed by then, there is plenty of space to construct a large stadium, and it will help to put the North of Amsterdam on the map.
Why would the Amsterdam Arena be demolished when a new stadium comes? Why shouldn't they coexist? The Arena can survive perfectly on it's own without Ajax as an events stadium. With that function it would also fit perfectly within its surroundings with the new Getz eventscenter (2000) The Heineken Music Hall (5000) and the new "music box" (15000).

And about the 80000 capacity, Altough the stands don't look like it on tv, Ajax sells out pretty much every match. In that sense, more capacity is needed. I think 65 to 70 thousand would be perfect. If it would indeed become 90000 stadium, they could make a structure with a 20000 top tier. They could blind it when the seats aren't needed. If done properly that could really work. You just take the blinders of when the extra capacity is needed.

And don't forget. When the initial plans for the Arena were made, Ajax attracted 14000 people in a 20000 stadium. 50000 was regarded as way to big. Nobody ever thought Ajax would fill that. They had even made plans to blind the second tier. Ajax hoped that they could sell 23000 tickets per match and fill the first tier.

It has been sold out with ~50000 people from day one in 1996...
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