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Old October 11th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #401
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Well done for Belgium and the Netherlands for bidding... But there will be SO much controversy if the English don't get the tournament!
The same could be said for what was to be the Paris 2012 OG...

I'm not saying that the English don't deserve it or anything I just think too many people think it's some sort of divine right for England to host it, and any critic is being ridiculed...

Don't get me wrong England could make wonderfull WC. But so could a lot of other nations. Including Holland & Belgium
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Portugal & Spain are also planning a bid for 2018 WC!!!
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Old October 11th, 2008, 01:12 PM   #403
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Old October 11th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #404
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Spain is to big to work together with an other country. If they aren't going to host it themself the UEFA never will give them the EK.
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Old October 11th, 2008, 03:27 PM   #405
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Well Spain does not "need" Portugal, The Netherlands need Belgium and Belgium needs The Netherlands to organise. With their perfect location between Scandinavia (North), Germany (East), France-Spain-Portugal-Italy (South) and Great-Brittain and Ireland (West) they for sure do have a chance to win the bid!

Although England and Spain are fantastic competitors as well with also a very good chance to win the bid!
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Old October 11th, 2008, 03:44 PM   #406
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that is true !

The Netherlands need Belgium and Belgium needs The Netherlands to organise. With their perfect location between Scandinavia (North), Germany (East), France-Spain-Portugal-Italy (South) and Great-Brittain and Ireland (West) they for sure do have a chance to win the bid!

Although England and Spain are fantastic competitors as well with also a very good chance to win the bid!


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Old October 11th, 2008, 05:13 PM   #407
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wc 2018 in nl if you ask me go nl!
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Old October 13th, 2008, 10:30 AM   #408
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Well done for Belgium and the Netherlands for bidding... But there will be SO much controversy if the English don't get the tournament!
Why will there be controversy if England don't get the tournament? I think it's only in England people think they are so important for football, while most other thinks they are destroying football with their Russian/Asian/American money.
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Hosting a World Cup, Olympics and what not is not a divine right as Athens (1996), Paris (2012) and South Africa (2006) among others have already witnessed.
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Old October 13th, 2008, 02:30 PM   #410
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Well done for Belgium and the Netherlands for bidding... But there will be SO much controversy if the English don't get the tournament!
Why should there be controversy? Do the English have a moral right to have the worldcup? If that is the case why having an election? I'm sure that the 'Sun' will find a scandal anyway.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 04:35 PM   #411
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Genk will expand its stadium to 45000. It has confirmed its candidature yesterday.



business area:

mirror glass of 3000 euro's per unit




themacafé (level 1 main stand):






lounge for other business seats (level 2 main stand) and 1000 corner seats (level 2,3 and 4 corners)




same business facilities with 2 floating vaults (= 'zwevende toog') (corner north and south level 1)



warmed seats and the lansom lounge (with flatscreens) (level 3 main stand):







lodges (with flatscreens) and warmed outside seats (level 4 main stand):





press tribune (level 5 main stand): full inside seats


the museum (www.goalmine.be): (corner south level1)












the fanshop (south stand level 1)




Brugge will build a new stadium of 40000-45000 (price 125 mio; UEFA 4star)




Brussels will build a new 60000 seater

Accord entre les Régions et le fédéral. Il ne reste plus que deux sites en piste : le Heysel et Schaerbeek-Formation. Un consensus sur le futur grand stade de football bruxellois a été dégagé jeudi, comme l’annonçait vendredi La Dernière Heure : il bénéficiera du soutien financier des autorités fédérales et flamandes.

La réunion rassemblait le Premier ministre Yves Leterme pour le fédéral, le ministre Bert Anciaux pour la Flandre, un membre du cabinet du ministre Michel Daerden pour la Wallonie, le ministre-président Charles Picqué pour la Région bruxelloise ainsi que le sénateur Alain Courtois. Yves Leterme a accepté de participer financièrement à la construction du futur stade. Le fédéral prendrait en charge la différence entre un stade de taille fédérale de 60.000 places et un stade régional de 40.000 places. Le ministre flamand des Sports Bert Anciaux a confirmé son soutien aux stades flamands (et donc à celui de Bruxelles puisque la capitale se trouvant en Flandre). Mais il ne veut pas d’un stade sur le parking C du Heysel. Estimation de la dépense ? Selon Alain Courtois, une place dans un stade coûte 4.000 euros. Ce qui donne un montant de… 240 millions d’euros.

Par ailleurs, la Région bruxelloise vient de désigner l’association momentanée IdéA / Secchi-Vigano pour mener à bien l’élaboration d’un schéma directeur de la zone de Schaerbeek-Formation, zone levier d’intérêt régional et dernière grande réserve foncière de Bruxelles. Charles Picqué leur a en outre demandé de travailler en priorité sur la faisabilité d’un stade à Bruxelles avec ou sans piste d’athlétisme sur les deux sites encore en lice : le plateau du Heysel et Schaerbeek-Formation.

Le résultat de l’étude est attendu pour début décembre, afin de permettre au gouvernement de se déterminer rapidement. Charles Picqué rappelle enfin que Schaerbeek-Formation reste le premier choix du gouvernement

Antwerp will build a new 40000 seater

Luik will build a new 45000 seater (UEFA 4star)

charleroi : new 40 000 seater

Nouveau stade à Charleroi pour 2013

Cela fait un moment que l'on en parle, mais un calendrier vient d'être décidé dans l'optique de construire un nouveau stade à Charleroi.
D'ici la fin de l'année, un site sera choisi. Gosselies serait actuellement l'option numéro 1.

Une fois le site choisi, les architectes auront jusque 2010 pour dessiner les plans de ce nouveau Stade du Pays de Charleroi, qui devra être terminé pour le début du championnat 2013/2014. Tant le Sporting que l'Olympic devraient disputer leurs matchs à domicile dans la nouvelle enceinte



trainingscomplexes:

Tubeke :













Academy Louis-dreyfus (Luik):
















Gent (20000 seats):






Sint-truiden: 15000 seats + hotel







Bergen/Mons: 12000 seats


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Old November 1st, 2008, 07:00 PM   #412
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Nice pictures but many facilities shown here will not be suitable for the possible WC-2018. Any news on the timeline of Brussels plans? And could you please translate the part written in French into English, this is the international forum after all .
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Old November 23rd, 2008, 03:03 AM   #413
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If Belgium and the Netherlands were to host the World Cup, I would have to put a new 60,000-seat stadium in Brissels by extending the capacity of the 50,000-seat Heysel Stadium to 60,000. But a capacity extension would mean destroying the roof to crerate new stands at the top. I am not building a completely new stadium for Brussels, especially a rectangular one. I'm concerned about this issue.

And in the Netherlands, I would use both the Amsterdam ArenA and the old Feijenoord Stadium for matches. But I would also build a new 80,000-seat National Stadium in Rotterdam (it will be oval (with a track) instead of rectangular because a rectangular national stadium would be too lame) to serve as the final venue.
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Old November 23rd, 2008, 03:31 AM   #414
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For Brussels I think that they want to build a new stadium that can be used more multifunctional like the Amsterdam ArenA.

In Amsterdam they want a bigger stadium, because since the opening most matches are sold out. Or a very expensive expansion to 70.000 (first choice) or a new stadium.

In Rotterdam they certainly don't want to have a track. They would like to have a new stadium with a 100% football field.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 12:09 AM   #415
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As far as I know you are correct on all the three points you summed up!

Although an athletics track is possible in the New Feyenoord Stadium for Rotterdam, but it will be a track like which was thought out for Wembley. That also is a real football stadium, but still a concept for creating an athletics track was designed for Wembley Stadium.

It will never be built in Wembley Stadium since the 2012 Olympics in London will have their own dedicated Olympic Stadium. The athletics track would be a temporary construction which is not very easy to built, but also not very complicated and to much time consuming to built.

To make up for the loss of capacity a fourth tier is planned to be added to the new Feyenoord Stadium. This is something which was not planed for when Wembley Stadium was designed. The architects who will make proposals for the new Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam will be asked to take this fact into account when creating their designs.

The initial capacity of the stadium should and will be 80.000+ seats. All plans call for at least this number of seats. After a fourth tier is created, the capacity could rise to 100.000+ seats in a football setting. All depending on whether or not Belgium and the Netherlands will be awarded the WC-2018 or whether or not Rotterdam plays a big role in a possible Dutch Olympic Games bid for 2028! With a temporary athletics track the capacity of 100.000+ seats for the stadium will probably be lowered to about 80.000 seats.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 12:40 AM   #416
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Rotterdam 2028 will never happen. Amsterdam 2028 isn't likely either, but it has a small chance at least.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 12:48 AM   #417
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Amsterdam 2028 is more likely, however the city center of Rotterdam is just 60 km from Amsterdam. In a short period it will be possible to travel from city to city by train within 30 minutes. Especially for football games the new Feyenoord stadium will be excellent.
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Rotterdam 2028 will never happen. Amsterdam 2028 isn't likely either, but it has a small chance at least.
You are probably correct. But it is not me who is advocating Rotterdam for the 2028 Olympic Games, the official planmakers and several politicians in the national and local government are advocating it. Also Amsterdam is advocated for the OG of 2028!

But to have the WC-2018 would be more feasable for Belgium and The Netherlands. There Rotterdam could play the same central role as it did with the EURO 2000 Championships. As the city located between the capitals Amsterdam and Brussels they managed to win the right to organise the final. Many in Amsterdam were completely taken by surprise over that fact since many thought that their Amsterdam Arena could not loose. Now with a brand new and most likely fantastic football stadium coming up for Rotterdam, they might pull that trick off again. But again, everything under the condition that Belgium and The Netherlands will win the WC-2018 bid. That is far from certain!
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Why will there be controversy if England don't get the tournament? I think it's only in England people think they are so important for football, while most other thinks they are destroying football with their Russian/Asian/American money.
I don't believe that there will be any controversy if England don't get the World Cup in 2018 (though I do believe that England currently have the strongest European bid). Hopefully, whichever nation wins the vote will have earnt it.

But I fail to see how your post is relevant in any way. It is, in fact, a ridiculous thing to say.

Okay, so one English football club is owned by a Russian. A couple more are owned by Americans. And one is now owned by a middle eastern royal family. So what? It only goes to prove that the Premiership is more attractive to foreigners than any other domestic league. So, as far as you're concerned, English football should be punished for being successful?

As to your preposterous claim that English clubs are "destroying football", I suggest that you stop swallowing everything that Michel Platini says and, instead, think for yourself.

No one claimed that Italian clubs were destroying football when they were the dominant nation and when the Agnellis (at Juve), the Morattis (at Inter), Berlusconi (at AC) and Cragnotti (at Lazio) were buying all the best players in the world. No one claimed that Real Madrid were destroying football when they were dominant and breaking the transfer record every season, having been financed out of debt and into riches by Madrid city council.

Nope, only now that English clubs are dominant does the rest of Europe moan and whinge about money destroying the game. Pathetic. At least make some attempt to be consistent. It's particularly amusing to hear Platini whingeing. He was part of a Juve team that was dominant in Italy and won the European Cup purely on the back of the Agnelli family's money. I didn't hear him complaining about that!

And for your information, other than Chelsea, no English club has yet benefited from foreign ownership. Man Utd are a hugely successful club in spite of the huge sums of money that their American owners are taking out of the club.....yes, you heard me - the Glazers are bleeding Man Utd dry of money, not putting money in. Likewise, Liverpool's American owners are taking from rather than giving to Liverpool. And Arsenal are still English owned. Whatever success they have had, they have earned. And, believe me, as a Spurs fan, that is not something that I would say lightly!
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I don't believe that there will be any controversy if England don't get the World Cup in 2018 (though I do believe that England currently have the strongest European bid). Hopefully, whichever nation wins the vote will have earnt it.

But I fail to see how your post is relevant in any way. It is, in fact, a ridiculous thing to say.

Okay, so one English football club is owned by a Russian. A couple more are owned by Americans. And one is now owned by a middle eastern royal family. So what? It only goes to prove that the Premiership is more attractive to foreigners than any other domestic league. So, as far as you're concerned, English football should be punished for being successful?

As to your preposterous claim that English clubs are "destroying football", I suggest that you stop swallowing everything that Michel Platini says and, instead, think for yourself.

No one claimed that Italian clubs were destroying football when they were the dominant nation and when the Agnellis (at Juve), the Morattis (at Inter), Berlusconi (at AC) and Cragnotti (at Lazio) were buying all the best players in the world. No one claimed that Real Madrid were destroying football when they were dominant and breaking the transfer record every season, having been financed out of debt and into riches by Madrid city council.

Nope, only now that English clubs are dominant does the rest of Europe moan and whinge about money destroying the game. Pathetic. At least make some attempt to be consistent. It's particularly amusing to hear Platini whingeing. He was part of a Juve team that was dominant in Italy and won the European Cup purely on the back of the Agnelli family's money. I didn't hear him complaining about that!

And for your information, other than Chelsea, no English club has yet benefited from foreign ownership. Man Utd are a hugely successful club in spite of the huge sums of money that their American owners are taking out of the club.....yes, you heard me - the Glazers are bleeding Man Utd dry of money, not putting money in. Likewise, Liverpool's American owners are taking from rather than giving to Liverpool. And Arsenal are still English owned. Whatever success they have had, they have earned. And, believe me, as a Spurs fan, that is not something that I would say lightly!
I see were you're coming from, but you're overlooking some things in my opinion.

Yes, the Italian clubs ruled in the '80 en '90. The difference was smaller though. Let's say Ajax had an annual budget of 20 million and AC Milan 60 million. Nowadays the difference is still 1:3 but 70 million to 210 million...

There was the foreigner rule were teams could only have 3 foreigners on the field at the same time. Since the EU opened up Arsenal plays with 11 foreigners. The Italian teams always had 8 Italians on the field.

English teams scout minors (8 to 15 year olds) on the continent. Parents are lured with 2 to 300000 euros to move with their kids to England. For most English teams this is pocket change. The teams were they come from can't afford to give all youngsters in their academy big salaries. They do invest in their football education though. They do the hard work and an Premier League team pretty much steals them for pocket change.

In Italy, you had big teams, but not every team in the league had a huge budget and could buy whatever they wanted. Teams like Blackburn and Middlesborough have a bigger budget than any team in Holland. Based on what? Not the amount of fans I would say... Only because they're in the same league as ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool an Chelsea? If those 4 would leave for some sort of European league, the TV money that the premier league generates will probably diminish to 1/20 of what it is now. The team that gets the least amount of TV money still gets more than Feyenoords total annual budget. A relegation candidate in England can easily out muscle a top team from Holland, Belgium, Portugal and in some cases even Germany, Spain and Italy on the transfer market. And you say there is nothing wrong with that?

You're team, Spurs, has spend more money during the summer than all Dutch clubs combined have spend. And during the winter you'll just spend the same amount again as if it was growing on tries. And lets not even start on ManC...You can't seriously think that is healthy...

Is there envy in what I say? probably. Although most of my resentment is based on the child trafficking that the English teams commit. It really disgusts me that teams play around with 9-year olds for their own benefit.

I don't think ManU is stealing the CL. They are a big team from a big league. They deserve their success. But the way things are going right now in the premier league is destroying football in my opinion. Not because they are the richest, but because a lot of that money isn't being gained or spent on the teams own merit. 16 teams are made richer than they are because of 4 others. Cause don't fool yourself. All the Asians will stop watching, and investors will turn their back on the premier league the minute ManU and Liverpool would leave...

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