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Old April 11th, 2009, 09:57 PM   #441
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Let's keep it the way it is I'd say. Are you interested in Groningen - Charleroi or Gent - Heerenveen? And who wants to make a 2 x 4 hour drive (or more) on a wednesday evening?
Distance cannot be the problem.

Delfzijl (NL) - De Panne (BE) 504 kilometer in 5 uur* en 5 minuten*
Den Helder (NL) - Narion (BE) 418 kilometer in 4 uur en 24 minuten
These are the outbounds of both countries. There not even playing clubs there.

In comparision
Ter vergelijking:

Southampton - Newcastle 523km in 5 uur en 45 minuten
Hamburg- Munchen 780 km in kleine 7 uur
Lille- Marseile 1004 km in iets meer dan 9 uur
Cadiz - Barcelona 1150 km in meer dan 13 uur
Torino- Palermo 1525 km in 14 uur en 25 minuten

* uur = hour
* minuten = minutes

For me Groningen - Gent would be more interesting then Groningen - Volendam.
In relation to the organisation of the wc it would be very good pr to the Uefa and Fifa.
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Let's keep it the way it is I'd say. Are you interested in Groningen - Charleroi or Gent - Heerenveen? And who wants to make a 2 x 4 hour drive (or more) on a wednesday evening?
Doe je oogkleppen eens af en kap eens over die afstanden!!!!
(Open your eyes and dont bother about the distances!!!).

Sometimes you farmers are just as stupid as the cattle you work with. You ever bin somewhere else than your own village? Look over the borders and reed the post above. Think about other countries and it's size. Both countries are together even smaller than France, England, Spain, Italy and Germany. Are you affraid to leave your village and go for a trip? Take a day of, let the boys do the job, free your mind and explore places you never bin before. Look how everyone is doing it in the big countries around us...

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Doe je oogkleppen eens af en kap eens over die afstanden!!!!
(Open your eyes and dont bother about the distances!!!).

Sometimes you farmers are just as stupid as the cattle you work with. You ever bin somewhere else than your own village? Look over the borders and reed the post above. Think about other countries and it's size. Both countries are together even smaller than France, England, Spain, Italy and Germany. Are you affraid to leave your village and go for a trip? Take a day of, let the boys do the job, free your mind and explore places you never bin before. Look how everyone is doing it in the big countries around us...

Please don´t go down that farmer road again Red85 from Purmerend (near Amsterdam), because your making yourselve look very very, but very stupid...

´After the funfair Purmerend is most famous for its cattle market, the so called Koemarkt (Cattle market), where cattle are sold and/or traded, most commonly cows and sheep.
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Allthough I understand your point, I don´t like your tone. It lacks respect
Maybe Zeno2 does follow his team everywhere. In that case I can understand why he would object. I do not agree with him because I think the distances thing is exaggerated. Specialy compared with other countries.
Not everyone is progressive, some like to keep things the way as they are, which isn´t that bad either.
I am somewhere in the middle. A BeNeliga I think is interesting. But other ideas like an Atlanticliga or sorts a like go to far for my taste.
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Old April 13th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #444
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We Dutchies lost the semi-final of the Baseball World Cup against the Yanks today. That sport does matter here, although it hasn't got a huge following. We couldn't give a shit about athletics though. Cycling is mostly just the Tour de France. It is not like anyone here remembers who won this years Paris-Roubaix or de Ronde van Vlaanderen.
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Old April 13th, 2009, 10:21 PM   #445
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We Dutchies lost the semi-final of the Baseball World Cup against the Yanks today. That sport does matter here, although it hasn't got a huge following. We couldn't give a shit about athletics though. Cycling is mostly just the Tour de France. It is not like anyone here remembers who won this years Paris-Roubaix or de Ronde van Vlaanderen.
Does this have any relation with WC football? And you´re partly wrong. Cycling has a big following in the Netherlands.
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Old April 14th, 2009, 10:04 AM   #446
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For example, stadiumwise this would not make a bad competion.
Regardsless the many planns in the Netherlands and Belgium for extensions.

NLD AFC Ajax Football Amsterdam Amsterdam ArenA 51 324 1996 all-seater
NLD Feyenoord Football Rotterdam Stadion Feijenoord 51 180 1937 all-seater

NLD PSV Football Eindhoven Philips Stadion 36 500 1913 all-seater

NLD Vitesse Football Arnhem Gelredome 29 600 1998 all-seater
NLD SC Heerenveen Football Heerenveen Abe Lenstra Stadion 27 500 1993 26 000
NLD FC Utrecht Football Utrecht Stadion Galgenwaard 24 428 1982 all-seater
NLD FC Twente Football Enschede Grolsch Veste 24 244 1998 all-seater
NLD FC Groningen Football Groningen Euroborg 22 500 2005 all-seater
NLD Roda JC Football Kerkrade Parkstad Limburg 19 200 2000 all-seater
NLD NAC Breda Football Breda Rat Verlegh Stadion 17 064 1996 all-seater
NLD AZ Alkmaar Football Alkmaar DSB Stadion 16 000 2006 all-seater

BEL Royal Standard Football Liège Stade Maurice Dufrasne 30 023 1999 all-seater
BEL Club Brugge Football Brugge Jan Breydel Stadion 29 975 1999 all-seater
BEL RSC Anderlecht Football Brussels Constant Vanden Stock 26 361 1983 21 101
BEL Royal Charleroi SC Football Charleroi Stade du Pays de Charleroi 25 149 2000 all-seater
BEL Racing Genk Football Genk Cristal Arena 24 604 1999 20 401
BEL Royal Antwerp FC Football Antwerpen Bosuil Stadion 16 649 1923 14 053
BEL AA Gent Football Gent Artevelde Stadion 20 000 2010 all-seater
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Please don´t go down that farmer road again Red85 from Purmerend (near Amsterdam), because your making yourselve look very very, but very stupid...

´After the funfair Purmerend is most famous for its cattle market, the so called Koemarkt (Cattle market), where cattle are sold and/or traded, most commonly cows and sheep.
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Allthough I understand your point, I don´t like your tone. It lacks respect
Maybe Zeno2 does follow his team everywhere. In that case I can understand why he would object. I do not agree with him because I think the distances thing is exaggerated. Specialy compared with other countries.
Not everyone is progressive, some like to keep things the way as they are, which isn´t that bad either.
I am somewhere in the middle. A BeNeliga I think is interesting. But other ideas like an Atlanticliga or sorts a like go to far for my taste.
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Mooi he Nooit van zelfspot gehoord? neem het niet te serieus. Als je me alsnog een boer wil noemen, ga je gang, maar dan wel een zonder oogkleppen en een stuk slimmer dan sommigen uit het noorden...

Allthough, the cattle market is banned from the townsquare after the bse crisis. Pity I think:P
And for that little ad I put next to the towns name is not for the dutch who know that this little town is nothing but.. euh, yeah, what is it actually.. it has nothing special anymore since the cattle market on tuesday morning is banned.

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An atlanticliga is way out of the league. The feeling of the championchip of a country vanishes completely. I don't think anyone will agree to do this.
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Probably I got the tone wrong then. That can happen when reading ´hard´.

Atlantic liga or something like that is not of my interrest. With Belgium atleast the Netherlands have some things in commune and there is a healthy rivelary, which should speed up the process of creating ´special´ matches.
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Probably I got the tone wrong then. That can happen when reading ´hard´.

Atlantic liga or something like that is not of my interrest. With Belgium atleast the Netherlands have some things in commune and there is a healthy rivelary, which should speed up the process of creating ´special´ matches.
And it helps that the common speaks the same language. Kind off...
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Old April 17th, 2009, 11:12 AM   #450
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Old April 17th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #451
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Pretty concerning inside news from anoter forum.

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DNK (= De Nieuwe Kuip) komt er wel. Athans, als we de plannenmakers van dit moment mogen geloven. Maar er zijn nog behoorlijk wat leeuwen en beren op de weg voordat het er zal staan.

Zo zijn er momenteel grote twijfels of de metroverbinding wel op tijd klaar zal zijn voordat DNK haar poorten opent. En in de gemeenteraad geven diverse fracties al aan dat er zonder metroverbinding geen nieuw stadion gebouwd zal gaan worden. Met andere woorden: tegelijkertijd de metro aanleggen en DNK bouwen.

En da's nog maar ;e;en voorbeeld van de problemen die opgelost moeten worden. Andere zaken: infrastructuur/parkeren, verwerving, bestemmingsplan, watercompensatie, afspraken met het waterschap (DNK komt in buitendijks gebied te liggen), etc. etc.

En het WK? Dat is allang een gepasseerd hoofdstuk voor de plannenmakers. Die deadline gaat men toch niet halen, althans voor wat betreft het WK2018.

Alleen wil men dat in Zeist nog niet zo goed begrijpen...
It says that Feyenoord will build a new stadium, but that they allready have put the planning of 2018 out of their mind.
I think if Feyenoord doesn´t get a new stadium fast that they won´t need it anymore, but that´s something else.
In short
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Old April 17th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #452
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That article is just political bla-bla. The new Stadium will be built and be ready in 2016 or 2017. For the subway connection to be ready in 2018 a miracle is required. The plans for that line can only be finalized in 2012 or 2013 or so. And that is just for the stadium area. For the other parts in the city where the line should run preperations have not even sterted yet, and I am talking about the paperwork only to make the planning of the line possible. Building permits and so forth is couple of chapter further down the road.

The New Feyenoord Stadium can not be delayed that long. The club AND the city need a better multifunctional stadium because they are loosing income and loose the staging of cultural events to other cities in the Netherlands, mostly to Amsterdam, Arnhem and a little bit to Eindhoven. Also the total redevelopment of that part of the city can not wait that long. The new subway line is necessary for sure, but it should not be the deciding factor in planning the whole redevelopment plans for the South-East Entrance of Rotterdam!
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Can be so, but when the infrastructure is not there you cannot build a stadium.
See the problems for expansion at AZ Alkmaar or the troubles FC Twente had.
I have a hard head in it. (hehe don´t know if that´s an English expresion too)
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Well, the new Feyenoord Stadium (De Nieuwe Kuip) will be built practically beside the old stadium. Which has a spectator record of 69.300! Nowadays it is declared full at 47.000 spectators but the stadium still has a very good infrastructure for public transport. Cars are the biggest problem, meaning there is way too little parking space for the cars of the visitors.

Since the current stadiums' renovation in 1994 there is a direct tramplus-line (an upgraded tram transportation system) on the new frontside of the stadium (Maas stand). On the other side (the old front, now Olympia stand) there is a train station within 100 meters. And that is on the main connection railway line Amsterdam-The Hague-Rotterdam-Antwerp-Brussels-Lille and Paris/London. Even the High Speed Train passes the stadium. So, combined with the city and regional bus services which stop at the east side of the stadium (Marathon Stand), there is basically more than enough public transport to and from the stadium.

In fact, the reachability by public transport of this stadium is still very, very good. The original planners planned ahead well in the 1930's. Even compared to (much) newer stadiums in Europe. So the problems AZ and Twente have/had do not apply to the current and/or the New Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam. Even the old stadium had since it was opened in March 1937 excellent connections with public transport!

Hence why I used the term "political bla-bla". At Camp Nou, Westfalenstadion or Old Trafford there are many more spectators then De Kuip-Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam can hold. But there are imho less public transport connections to those stadiums then De Kuip is having. That is no reason not to build the stadium, especially when the subway connection will be completely built "shortly" (a couple of years?) after the new stadium could be opened.

This political bla-bla which combines building of the subway line with the building of the stadium comes from the Socialist Party. The party which tries to block every renewal of city districts because the poor and jobless are the ones who usually vote for that rotten party! Sure, when dealing with a very big project like this (the whole transformation of the S-E entrance of the city will cost around 2 Billion Euro's) there are political questions to answer. But the SP always will do everything to stop all progress in the city area (they oppose the Airport, the High Speed Rail, the Freight train line to Germany, the redevelopment of old and poor city districts (Afrikaanderwijk, Nieuw Crooswijk), they always try to block progress! ).
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Old April 18th, 2009, 09:09 AM   #455
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That was a thought that passed my mind too. That was an option to build the stadium besides the old one. There still has to be made a chooice where to construct no?
Well thanks for the hope you have given me in that case. We´ll see.
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You are welcome and we will see. The choice where to construct the new stadium was already made on December 16th of 2008. That principle decision was part of the formal "area vision" (gebiedsvisie) which was approved on that day. The stadium will be built along the river shore and should give a huge boost to Rotterdam.

Comparisons are already made with Sydney since the magnificant Opera House is such a symbol for that city, so close to the water and to the Harbour Bridge. De Nieuwe Kuip will be placed closer to the 12 lane Van Brienenoordbruggen (Highway A16) and on the other side the skyline of Rotterdam will be easily visible.

For some good renders about the plans for the area and the stadium see the thread about the stadium in the Dutch section: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=836184. Of course not a single design has been made yet, all the buildings yue see there are all shape studies for now.

Now the city is working out all these plans into a "structure vision" for the area. (structuur visie). This should be ready at the end of this year or early 2010. After the necessary discussion rounds it could be made final at the end of 2010 or early 2011. Then we will know every bit and detail to know about this plan. Then new "destination plan" (bestemmingsplan) can be made for this area can be officially approved. These plans are the ones on which building permits can be requested and awarded. This approval of the "bestemmingsplan" is expected for 2011-2012. Building permits can then be approved in 2012 or 2013 at the latest. With 3 years of construction time the New Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam could still be ready in 2016.

The new subway line usually will take longer time to construct, especially since they are crossing the river. But will be an integral part of the "bestemmingsplan", so there will not be any obstruction when they decide to start building the new subway line. This is more or less the latest situation on the New Feyenoord Stadium in Rotterdam.

And Amsterdam will try to keep up with these plans, or at least will try not to fall too much behind these plans. Hence the new plan to seriously expand the Amsterdam ArenA to 85.000 seats as well (if the WC-2018 comes to Belgium and the Netherlands ).
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Same post as in de Belgium topic.

State of affairs of the stadiums on 1 May 2009

- In the past three months the situation surrounding the stadiums has evolved favourably.

- Bruges: the Loppem site has been confirmed by the Flemish government. The project of a stadium linked to a commercial centre has therefore been launched.

- Brussels: three options remain: Schaarbeek Vorming, parking C and an extension of the King Baudouin Stadium.

- New meetings are expected during May, and they will certainly take place after the regional elections of 7 June.

- The principle of a federal stadium with 65,000 seats has been approved by all departments. Only the location remains to be determined.

- Antwerp: the Flemish government has decided to build a new stadium with 25,000 seats (to be extended to 40,000 if the World Cup comes to Belgium and the Netherlands) at Petroleum South. The possible name of the new stadium: ‘The Port of Antwerp Stadium'.

- Genk: the dossier is finished, making it thus possible to extend the existing stadium to 40,000 seats if the World Cup candidature is successful.

- Mobility and the stadium's accessibility are being studied by local, regional and federal authorities.

- Liège: the people responsible for the city have paid a visit to the Coronmeuse site along the River Meuse. As a consequence the site has been selected.

- A new stadium creates the opportunity to redevelop a complete neighbourhood and to give a new orientation to the buildings of the Liège Trade Fair.

- A meeting has been organized focusing on mobility. All local, regional and federal authorities were present.

- Football club Standard de Liège have played an important role in this dossier, together with a number of private investors.

- Charleroi: on 26 December 2008 the city has received, just like all the other cities concerned, a copy of all plans and specifications.

- The city has made it clear that they want to be part of the 2018 project. Charleroi needs to build a new stadium in any case, as the existing one has to be pulled down by order of the Council of State.

- The necessary contacts have been established in order to relaunch the dossier in a positive manner.

- Other news: it is important to remind everybody that we also need sixteen World Cup training complexes. Several municipalities have already put forward their candidature.

- All in all substantial progress has been made. It is just as well, because the dossier will have to be submitted on 14 May 2010.

http://www.bn2018.com/page.asp?DocID...List&langue=EN
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Old July 16th, 2009, 05:50 PM   #459
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Well there is construction movement, but not in possible WC stadiums

Stadium of Sint-truiden:



Stadium of Beveren (second devision):




Because there is not so much news, i have adapted the stadium impression of Genk (once again I know) :





themacafé (niveau 1 hoofdtribune):

http://www.krcgenk.be/en/nieuws/pictures?album=39







business seats (niveau 2 hoofdtribune) en 1000 corner seats (niveau 2,3 and 4 corners)











dezelfde business faciliteiten met 2 zwevende togen (corner noord en zuid niveau 1)

lansom lounge (met flatscreens) en verwarmde outside seats(niveau 3 hoofdtribune):





loges (met flatscreens) en verwarmde outside seats (niveau 4 hoofdtribune):





pers tribune (niveau 5 hoofdtribune): inside-seats

museum (corner zuid niveau 1): http://www.goalmine.be









de fanshop (zuidelijke tribune niveau 1)







café jeugd (aan de overkant van de straat)


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Old July 23rd, 2009, 06:43 PM   #460
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news in dutch:

Interview Jos Vaessen: stadion met 44.000 plaatsen
Het stadion van Racing Genk, de Cristal Arena, krijgt een gedaanteverwisseling. Een hoop commerciële faciliteiten wordt bijgebouwd, én er komt een derde bijkomende ring in het stadion. Voetbalbelgië.be sprak met Jos Vaessen.

"De commerciële uitbouw van het stadion zit nu in de 'Project Mer'-fase", zegt Vaessen. "Deze zou tot begin volgend jaar duren. Als alles positief verloopt, en er zijn vandaag geen signalen dat dit niet zo zou zijn, kan daarna met de bouw begonnen worden. Deze uitbouw bestaat uit twee peilers, namelijk een detailhandel van sport en recreatieve producten, én diensten van sport en recreatieve aard. Zoals een fitnesscentrum, een bowlingzaal, snooker en een discotheek".

Cristal Arena met 44.000 plaatsen
Naast de uitbouw van commerciële activiteiten staat ook een stadionuitbreiding op de agenda. Jos Vaessen legt uit: "De mogelijke uitbouw van het stadion koppelen wij aan de kandidatuur van het WK 2018. Als wij de toewijzing krijgen, zullen wij inderdaad een derde ring krijgen met een totale capaciteit van 44.000 plaatsen."

"Daarmee hebben we echter niet het grootste stadion in België, want voor de organisatie van het WK 2018 zullen er nog drie of vier andere stadions komen met telkens evenveel plaatsen. Mogelijk komt er ook een stadion met een capaciteit van liefst 65.000 plaatsen voor de organisatie van een halve finale."


Bijkomende parkeerplaatsen
Racing Genk maakt ook werk van een nieuw parkeerplan voor de thuiswedstrijden. "Op termijn gaan we, naast de circa 5.500 parkeerplaatsen die we nu hebben, een uitbreiding voorzien van ongeveer 1.000 parkeerplaatsen die gekoppeld zijn aan de nieuwe 'Sport en Recreatie Site'. Bovendien zullen op het nieuwe industrieterrein dat uitgebouwd wordt op de terreinen van de mijn van Waterschei nog eens 1.000 extra parkeerplaatsen komen. Deze 1.000 extra parkeerplaatsen zouden mogelijk al binnen enkele maanden beschikbaar zijn."

www.voetbalbelgie.be
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