VIENNA | Public Transport

[Slartibartfas]

Originally Posted by Stanislav.

Have tram lines ever been dismantled to widen street for automobiles?

Yes, there are several examples for that. But those that I know included the concurrent construction of a subway line below, replacing the tram and in some cases space for car traffic was increased.

Another example is however Mariahilferstraße where also a tram line was dismantled after the construction of the U3 subway line below that street. The street was not widened for cars however but instead the sidewalks by two road lane equivalents.

Btw, an interesting aspect regarding having such a tight tram network is that cyclists are faced with not only crossing lots of tracks but on many roads they have to drive along them as well. You have to be careful when doing so.

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by Attus

Vienna has one of the best modal splits of Europe, approx. 38% of all transport uses public transport, 36% uses cars, the rest travel by foot or bycicle.

Are these statistics based on internationally standardized passenger-km (or passenger-mile)?

Even in Dutch cities with very high bike usage, the bike + pedestrian + other non-motorized share never surpasses 15%. So for Wien to have 26% of pedestrian + bike would be quite a shocker.

[KingNick]

I suppose they base their statistics on the international standards, yes.

Developement from 1993 to 2011:



Red = Public Transportation
Yellow = Bike
Green = Foot
Blue = Car

[Suburbanist]

If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.

After all, moving 1 passenger 30km or 30 passengers 1km require comparable effort at the unit level (regardless of modal used), but if you had 1 passenger taking a 30km car trip and 30 walking 1 km you'd have, for instance, "only" 3% car share whereas the correct percentage of total distance mobility of the car in this simple example is half of total 60 passenger-km.

[KingNick]

Mode share graphics are always based on the number of journeys by main
mode of transport. I have no knowledge of a valid one based on passenger-km.

[stefanguti]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.

After all, moving 1 passenger 30km or 30 passengers 1km require comparable effort at the unit level (regardless of modal used), but if you had 1 passenger taking a 30km car trip and 30 walking 1 km you'd have, for instance, "only" 3% car share whereas the correct percentage of total distance mobility of the car in this simple example is half of total 60 passenger-km.

I understand your point. To be honest with you, I have never heard of any statistics based on km for Vienna. It would be interesting, though.

[Slartibartfas]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.

After all, moving 1 passenger 30km or 30 passengers 1km require comparable effort at the unit level (regardless of modal used), but if you had 1 passenger taking a 30km car trip and 30 walking 1 km you'd have, for instance, "only" 3% car share whereas the correct percentage of total distance mobility of the car in this simple example is half of total 60 passenger-km.

Person kilometer based numbers would be great but I could not find any either. I though I had see some once however but maybe I remember wrongly.

Relying on some educated guess however, the share between public transport and car should be comparable between journey based and person kilometer based one. I don't think that there are vast differences in average distances with both modes of transportation.

Especially pedestrian shares might be severely lower however.

[Floster]

Line 41 in Währing (18th district of Vienna):




The route for the new line 25 (in service from december 2012) in the 22nd district is currently under construction:

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

Person kilometer based numbers would be great but I could not find any either. I though I had see some once however but maybe I remember wrongly.

Relying on some educated guess however, the share between public transport and car should be comparable between journey based and person kilometer based one. I don't think that there are vast differences in average distances with both modes of transportation.

Especially pedestrian shares might be severely lower however.

Actually, I can't see how person kilometre figures are actually helpful. What can they tell you? That people a long way out of the city have to drive as there are less transport options and as such they have to also travel further? Surely the split for every trip taken is more accurate otherwise the weighting will heavily lean towards car drivers who are more likely to be suburbanites and therefore have longer commutes.

[vog]

Does anyone know how deep is the deepest u-bahn station in Vienna?

[Luki_SL]

The deepest u`bahn station is Karlsplatz. It`s 24m below ground

[WanKenobi]

Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

Yes, there are several examples for that. But those that I know included the concurrent construction of a subway line below, replacing the tram and in some cases space for car traffic was increased.

IMHO very interesting is the traffic solution on Vienna Ring, where the cars can drive around the city center only in one direction, but trams are riding in both direction on the whole Ring (5,2 km)

[Ruston]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.
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Doesn't matter for this graph, that have the purpose of evidencing the difference in modal split between 1993 and 2011 .

[Slartibartfas]

VIENNA: S-Bahn, U-Bahn, Lokalbahn network plan

The brand new network plan as of December 2013 with the partial opening of the new main station ("Hauptbahnhof" in German). This is the most complete map of the Viennese high priority rail network including all S-Bahn and U-Bahn lines as well as the light rail like Lokalbahn from Karlsplatz to Baden in Vienna proper (central zone in white) and the larger metropolitan area.

[Falubaz]

Finaly the line naming has some sense, without "one-direction-numbering-system"

[Slartibartfas]

Yes indeed. Finally it makes sense. Lines 1, 2 and 3 are those that are running all along the Stammstrecke from Floridsdorf to Meidling. Easy to understand and to remember.

What that map fails to tell you is however which lines run frequently (like at least every 15 min) For the S-Bahn that is basically, the S45 (10 - 15 min headway) and the Stammstrecke where you don't have one single line but you'd have one or the other line every few min.

[Slartibartfas]

Originally Posted by Floster

The route for the new line 25 (in service from december 2012) in the 22nd district is currently under construction:

Line 25 is being opened on 22th December.

Below you can see the new stop "Tokiostraße"


http://www.bildstrecke.at/Pictures/2...31595318-2.jpg

[Samluke]

Is that grass between the tracks that I can see? Vienna could do with more of that on its tramlines.

[stefanguti]

I think it is!

[hkskyline]

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Underground in Vienna. by Crusade., on Flickr

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Underground in Vienna. by Crusade., on Flickr