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Old May 26th, 2012, 02:30 AM   #761
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I suppose they base their statistics on the international standards, yes.

Developement from 1993 to 2011:



Red = Public Transportation
Yellow = Bike
Green = Foot
Blue = Car
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Old May 26th, 2012, 02:46 AM   #762
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If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.

After all, moving 1 passenger 30km or 30 passengers 1km require comparable effort at the unit level (regardless of modal used), but if you had 1 passenger taking a 30km car trip and 30 walking 1 km you'd have, for instance, "only" 3% car share whereas the correct percentage of total distance mobility of the car in this simple example is half of total 60 passenger-km.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 03:51 AM   #763
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Mode share graphics are always based on the number of journeys by main
mode of transport. I have no knowledge of a valid one based on passenger-km.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #764
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If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.

After all, moving 1 passenger 30km or 30 passengers 1km require comparable effort at the unit level (regardless of modal used), but if you had 1 passenger taking a 30km car trip and 30 walking 1 km you'd have, for instance, "only" 3% car share whereas the correct percentage of total distance mobility of the car in this simple example is half of total 60 passenger-km.
I understand your point. To be honest with you, I have never heard of any statistics based on km for Vienna. It would be interesting, though.
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Old May 27th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #765
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If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.

After all, moving 1 passenger 30km or 30 passengers 1km require comparable effort at the unit level (regardless of modal used), but if you had 1 passenger taking a 30km car trip and 30 walking 1 km you'd have, for instance, "only" 3% car share whereas the correct percentage of total distance mobility of the car in this simple example is half of total 60 passenger-km.
Person kilometer based numbers would be great but I could not find any either. I though I had see some once however but maybe I remember wrongly.

Relying on some educated guess however, the share between public transport and car should be comparable between journey based and person kilometer based one. I don't think that there are vast differences in average distances with both modes of transportation.

Especially pedestrian shares might be severely lower however.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #766
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Line 41 in Währing (18th district of Vienna):




The route for the new line 25 (in service from december 2012) in the 22nd district is currently under construction:





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Old June 25th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #767
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Person kilometer based numbers would be great but I could not find any either. I though I had see some once however but maybe I remember wrongly.

Relying on some educated guess however, the share between public transport and car should be comparable between journey based and person kilometer based one. I don't think that there are vast differences in average distances with both modes of transportation.

Especially pedestrian shares might be severely lower however.
Actually, I can't see how person kilometre figures are actually helpful. What can they tell you? That people a long way out of the city have to drive as there are less transport options and as such they have to also travel further? Surely the split for every trip taken is more accurate otherwise the weighting will heavily lean towards car drivers who are more likely to be suburbanites and therefore have longer commutes.
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Does anyone know how deep is the deepest u-bahn station in Vienna?
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Old August 17th, 2012, 10:17 AM   #769
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The deepest u`bahn station is Karlsplatz. It`s 24m below ground
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Yes, there are several examples for that. But those that I know included the concurrent construction of a subway line below, replacing the tram and in some cases space for car traffic was increased.
IMHO very interesting is the traffic solution on Vienna Ring, where the cars can drive around the city center only in one direction, but trams are riding in both direction on the whole Ring (5,2 km)

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Old September 18th, 2012, 01:38 AM   #771
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If my basic German knowledge is right, they are measuring the % as a proportion of trips, and not passenger-km, which makes for flawed conclusions.
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Doesn't matter for this graph, that have the purpose of evidencing the difference in modal split between 1993 and 2011 .
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VIENNA: S-Bahn, U-Bahn, Lokalbahn network plan

The brand new network plan as of December 2013 with the partial opening of the new main station ("Hauptbahnhof" in German). This is the most complete map of the Viennese high priority rail network including all S-Bahn and U-Bahn lines as well as the light rail like Lokalbahn from Karlsplatz to Baden in Vienna proper (central zone in white) and the larger metropolitan area.

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Finaly the line naming has some sense, without "one-direction-numbering-system"
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Yes indeed. Finally it makes sense. Lines 1, 2 and 3 are those that are running all along the Stammstrecke from Floridsdorf to Meidling. Easy to understand and to remember.

What that map fails to tell you is however which lines run frequently (like at least every 15 min) For the S-Bahn that is basically, the S45 (10 - 15 min headway) and the Stammstrecke where you don't have one single line but you'd have one or the other line every few min.
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The route for the new line 25 (in service from december 2012) in the 22nd district is currently under construction:

Line 25 is being opened on 22th December.

Below you can see the new stop "Tokiostraße"


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Is that grass between the tracks that I can see? Vienna could do with more of that on its tramlines.
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Old March 7th, 2013, 02:39 AM   #780
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I understand that plans to extend the U2 line southeast to Schwarzenbergplatz, Rennweg, St Marx, and Gudrunstr. have been suspended. I'm less clear on the reasons (a lack of consensus over where the U2 should run after Rennweg, among other reasons?) because I have difficulty reading German.

It seems to me that the need for a U2 extension from Karlsplatz to Schwarzenbergplatz and Rennweg (to interchange with the S-bahn trunk line) is both obvious and urgent. Perhaps that part could still be constructed before 2020 and a decision about a further extension could be postponed until plans for the U5 line come to fruition?
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