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Old May 26th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #821
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Vienna is honor based but you still have to validate your ticket.
If you replace the ticket with the contactless smart card, not only the flow of passengers will be faster but the maintenance cost will be lower.
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Old May 26th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #822
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Vienna is honor based but you still have to validate your ticket.
If you replace the ticket with the contactless smart card, not only the flow of passengers will be faster but the maintenance cost will be lower.
Most people don't. Actually, validation is a rare sight. That is especially the case during rush hours when most of the users are regular users. Even tourists that are staying here for a few days will rather validate a multi-day or week ticket just once if they can. Regular users tend to have a monthly or annual pass. That is also why there is only a small number of validation boxes at each entrance (which are fairly low tech, easily to maintain stamping machines), far less than in systems that forces people to check-in/validate at every usage.

The flow of people can't be faster than it is now, as currently there is no obstacle at all with hardly anyone stopping at the entrance to validate or search for a card or whatever. Furthermore I can not imagine how a high tech contact less system should be cheaper to install or to run.

When I was in London I found the Oyster Card system to be much more inconvenient and more prone to jamming than the Viennese one. Sure, it has its advantages, but not for the customer.

PS: I am not sure how exactly those modern systems work that you have in mind. Do you have to hold your card to the immediate vicinity of some card reader plate, are there gates restricting entrance to card holders or is it sufficient to have a card at your body while walking through a passage/vehicle door?
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Old May 26th, 2013, 08:20 PM   #823
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The Oyster system is much better than Vienna's system, especially if you are not a person that holds a yearl subscription. You fail to see that because probably you always had such a subscription.
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Old May 26th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #824
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The Oyster system is much better than Vienna's system, especially if you are not a person that holds a yearl subscription. You fail to see that because probably you always had such a subscription.
So what exactly would be better with an Oyster Card from a customer's perspective?

I already had times where I had no pass and still found it vastly superior. Basically in almost any situation it is better to have at least a day card. In that case you just validate at the first ride and then don't have to care at any transfer or new ride for the whole day. If you are a tourist that can amount to quite a lot of transfer/rides. In London I had to grab not just once but twice per ride for the oyster card, and then there was normally a slow down at the gates as well. And the bus system with just one entrance was very slow at frequented stops. Not to forget that the fare system in London is opaque and its not easy to understand how much it really costs you.
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Old June 2nd, 2013, 04:51 PM   #825
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Station "Hernals" (17th District), designed by Otto Wagner

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Old June 2nd, 2013, 04:59 PM   #826
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Old June 2nd, 2013, 06:18 PM   #827
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Thank you for the update, the station is already well operational for urban and suburban traffic.
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Old June 2nd, 2013, 10:00 PM   #828
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For our dear international readers I'd like to put one of the great pictures above in contrast to how the depicted station Hernals looked like 30 years ago:

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Old June 26th, 2013, 11:27 AM   #829
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I have a question if I may: how much did you pay the Bombardier type T1 trains for the U6 line in the contract of 2004-2008? I also read that 5 new train sets are to arrive for U6 until 2014. I am interested in costs per 4-car train for the order of 2004-2008 and 2013.
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Old June 26th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #830
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No idea how much we paid for the older ones, but in 2013 Wiener Linien paid 60 Millions for 5 new trains (4 cars each). Freaking rip-off if you ask me.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 01:08 AM   #831
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Hi Vienna public transport fans.
I am a fan of the public transport from Sofia and I am particularly interested in schedules, passenger flow, current and history routes.
I know a lot about them for Sofia but two months ago I moved to Vienna and now I am getting more and more information on these topics. So far I have found quite a lot of information about the routes (both current and historical), and the schedules are available online so they are also not a problem.
But I've found very little about the passenger flow in Internet. In general, I travel a lot and I take many observations about that but it is always good too see some summarized/official data about it. My German skills are far from good and I am probably unable to find the right places for this. I tried to find information on some of the most popular public transport forums about Vienna but the language may be the obstacle.
I will appreciate any help or links about this
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Old July 15th, 2013, 02:44 PM   #832
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I found these - driver's cab view of the different U-Bahn lines in real time:

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Old July 15th, 2013, 02:55 PM   #833
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This time from the front of a tram - Line 'D' from Sudbahnhof to Nussdorf in 10 minutes:

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Old July 16th, 2013, 05:23 AM   #834
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Visualization of the entire tram line 26 extension (Kagraner Platz - Hausfeldstraße)
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Nono, wait wait! They will make the trams actually shift lanes? In order to have the possibility for center platforms? I just recenly wondered how long Vienna would stick to the traditional unidirectional tramways, but i would have never figured they'd come up with a solution that nerdy!
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Old July 16th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #835
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Nerdy maybe but still cheaper than buying and running another type of tram.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #836
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The one directional trams with doors on only one side have some considerable advantages in terms of space usage.

I don't know what the side switching means for track capacity but given that street crossings are common on this line, I'd guess this is no worse than more two more street crossings were.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #837
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It is quite absurd that they are still buying trams without doors on both sides in 2013.

I don't see how dual-side doors compromise internal space in the tram. It might reduce seating capacity, but not floor space at all.

In any case, wouldn't a U-Bahn be better for this alignment?
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Why would doors on both sides be a necessity, when the whole system is built for right hand exits? And no, density is way too low to justify an U-Bahn. It was planed back in the 70s to build an U7 there but dismissed eventually.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #839
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It is quite absurd that they are still buying trams without doors on both sides in 2013.

I don't see how dual-side doors compromise internal space in the tram. It might reduce seating capacity, but not floor space at all.

In any case, wouldn't a U-Bahn be better for this alignment?
But they are certainly heavier and need more maintenance with double the doors. And reduced seating can be an issue as trams tend to have a high share of seatings vs standing space.

Like King Nick said, the density is too low, it is just sufficient to have U-Bahn lines to the center but hardly for cross connections. A frequent tram service, partly separated from streets, seems sufficient so far in terms of capacity and costs only a small amoung of what a new subway line would cost (which would have to be underground in large parts). And if there were capacity issues I'd rather be for another tram line in parallel.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:20 AM   #840
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U1 extension to Oberlaa


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