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Old January 9th, 2017, 10:56 PM   #961
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This photo from construction of the new Oberlaa U1 station is from a little over two months ago. The station, along with four others, is scheduled to open 2017.09.02 as the southern extension of U1.



http://www.bildstrecke.at/U1/Images?...terCategory=U1
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Old January 17th, 2017, 03:19 PM   #962
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Old March 4th, 2017, 01:57 PM   #963
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timelapse video of the U1 extension
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Old March 10th, 2017, 09:30 PM   #964
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No expansion of the tram network but a significant change in the network by switching the outer arms of the lines 2 and 44 in the west of Vienna. This involves some major redesign of the square in front of the Ottakringer brewery as well, reuniting two green spaces by abolishing a street cutting right through them.

The tram lines will be adapted this year and the redesign oft he public area should be completed until summer 2018.

Here is a great video summary of the project (in German, but the animations are pretty self explanatory):

http://www.wienerlinien.at/eportal3/...000704#2001588
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Old April 11th, 2017, 08:22 AM   #965
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Why was the Vienna metro built later than the Budapest one? Were people more conservative in Vienna?
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Old April 11th, 2017, 11:44 AM   #966
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Basically, a mass-transit system was implemented at approximately the same time as in Budapest, the "Stadtbahn", but it was using rather existing corridors than going underground:
- The corridor of the Wien river and the Danube channel (today used mostly by U4)
- A corridor along the "Gürtel" (today mostly used by U6)
- And a line along the north-western hill range, a rather mountain-type track with a number of tunnels and bridges (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorortelinie), today used still by an S-Bahn.



Plans to tunnel under the inner city had been proposed as early as ~1845, and then again towards the end of the 19th century, but the plans were obviously not seen fit at that time, for whatever reason (maybe availability of these corridors was also much cheaper.. ?)

When they realised that an underground system might also be needed in Vienna, 1st world war was getting in the way. After that, Vienna was significantly less populated (see demographic chart below; though one would also need to factor in the population development in the suburban areas that only developed in the last decades..), combined with a post & pre-war economy, an underground metro was not needed any more, and not affordable.



Big plans in the "third reich", but then again similar after 2nd world war, much smaller population, not much money..
The city thus then focused on building partially underground trams (e.g. what is used now by the U2), and it took until the late 1960s/19070s for them to decide to build an actual metro...


In some ways, this was not bad for the current system I'd say, because it was built much more modern than other networks, and is a really accessible system nowadays, with rather enough room in the corridors, elevator access to the platforms, etc..
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Old April 11th, 2017, 02:03 PM   #967
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Thanks for your answer. It is more efficient to convert existing railway to metro.
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Old April 11th, 2017, 08:16 PM   #968
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It is, but it is not necessarily better. Before the started construction of the modern U-Bahn network, the heavy duty PT network in Vienna had serious design flaws. The main flaw was that it lacked radial lines, connecting the centre with the suburbs.

On the other hand, this deficiancy saved the large tram network during the last decades and even though the subway construction did endager it again and also lead to several closures, it is still fairly large. And then there are the advantages which Rudiwien listed already.
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The Federal Administrative Court of Austria has approved the extension of line U2 and the construction of line U5



http://wien.orf.at/news/stories/2841738/
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Old May 11th, 2017, 08:18 PM   #970
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Why was the Vienna metro built later than the Budapest one? Were people more conservative in Vienna?
Well i can tell you that Metro in Vienna and Metro in Belgrade as well in Munich Metro , these three cityes were collaborated on metro projects on a same time.
In Belgrade Jovin/Maletin team.Unfotunatlly Belgrade didn,t started to build.Regards from Belgrade.

Project of Metro Belgrade, with cooperation of Wienna and Munich Metro engineers.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 08:49 PM   #971
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Why was the Vienna metro built later than the Budapest one? Were people more conservative in Vienna?
I think for political reasons. At the time of the Austro-Hungarian empire, the Hungarians wanted have the metro in their capital before the Austrians.
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Old May 12th, 2017, 02:05 AM   #972
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Fabri,well i can agree with you.Generaly on majority of cases,to build a metro was a always the political decision.
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Old May 12th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #973
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To cut a Long story short:

Even before Budapest build it´s first line, Vienna build the Stadtbahn (steam city-railway), which was later electrified and integrated in the tram-system.

The first bigger metro-approval for Vienna was done around 1938 during Nazi-occupation, of cause after WWII it was obsolete

In the 50s, 60s it was politics which prefered the U-Strab and no metro for whatever the reason was (probably money).

Otherwise it´s still an interesting Thing that after opening Földalatti in Budapest in 1896, nothing happend with metro until the 1950s. Of cause there had been plans.
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Old May 12th, 2017, 10:50 AM   #974
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Basically a summary of the detailed answer rudiwien gave about a month ago. Quite fascinating to realize there were already plans for underground construction as early as the 1840's...

I wonder though: why was Heiligenstadt chosen as the end point of all three lines shown below?

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Basically, a mass-transit system was implemented at approximately the same time as in Budapest, the "Stadtbahn", but it was using rather existing corridors than going underground:
- The corridor of the Wien river and the Danube channel (today used mostly by U4)
- A corridor along the "Gürtel" (today mostly used by U6)
- And a line along the north-western hill range, a rather mountain-type track with a number of tunnels and bridges (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorortelinie), today used still by an S-Bahn.



Plans to tunnel under the inner city had been proposed as early as ~1845, and then again towards the end of the 19th century, but the plans were obviously not seen fit at that time, for whatever reason (maybe availability of these corridors was also much cheaper.. ?)

When they realised that an underground system might also be needed in Vienna, 1st world war was getting in the way. After that, Vienna was significantly less populated (see demographic chart below; though one would also need to factor in the population development in the suburban areas that only developed in the last decades..), combined with a post & pre-war economy, an underground metro was not needed any more, and not affordable.



Big plans in the "third reich", but then again similar after 2nd world war, much smaller population, not much money..
The city thus then focused on building partially underground trams (e.g. what is used now by the U2), and it took until the late 1960s/19070s for them to decide to build an actual metro...


In some ways, this was not bad for the current system I'd say, because it was built much more modern than other networks, and is a really accessible system nowadays, with rather enough room in the corridors, elevator access to the platforms, etc..
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Old May 12th, 2017, 09:58 PM   #975
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Basically a summary of the detailed answer rudiwien gave about a month ago. Quite fascinating to realize there were already plans for underground construction as early as the 1840's...

I wonder though: why was Heiligenstadt chosen as the end point of all three lines shown below?
before 1918 Vienna has the same status like Paris or London, the capital of a strong power, all built railways started in vienna in all directions, this basic local vienna transport was not built für the people of vienna, they was built to be able to move fast troups through the city from one terminus main station to another

Heiligenstadt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empero...Joseph_Railway

in the last year was done a lot to solve the Vienna railway problem with the lainzer tunnel and new main station to stop loosing big amounts of time an increase capacity:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...noten_Wien.png
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Old July 26th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #976
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New network map for the integrated S-Bahn and U-Bahn network of the metropolitan area of Vienna, here the central part (everything within the white area is Vienna proper).

You can see already the not yet opened U1 extension south to Oberlaa. The biggest change however is something I have supported for a long time: Visualizing the highly frequented S-Bahn corridors in U-Bahn like fashion. That's what they did here. S45 and the S-Bahn main corridor ("pink line") are shown in a similar way as the U-Bahn lines and the legend describes them as "S-Bahn with U-Bahn like frequencies. This is certainly true for the main corridor and I think it is still justifiable for the S45 which has a 10 min headway most of the day and for the very late hours 15 min.

Many people don't touch the S-Bahn because they think it is only for commuters and has terrible frequencies. It is time that network maps make it clear that this is not the case for several central S-Bahn connections.


source: http://nahverkehr.wien/forum/index.p...8225#msg348225
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This is even a bigger change than I thought. S45 and S-Bahn core line stations will be adapted with that new colour scheme and most importantly, these two lines will feature on all subway network maps as well, not as some obscure thin blue line but as fleshed out individual lines also on the smaller overhead maps in all subway trains:

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If S45 is operating on its own and has no other S line using its tracks, couldn't it be moved to the underground system definitively? (Becoming a U7, or something like that)
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S-Bahnen are operated by the national railway, ÖBB, while U-Bahnen are operated by Wiener Linien. Given that the S45 crosses regular rail service on both ends and in some limited parts uses tracks together with freight trains, it would be an utter mess to transfer it from the ÖBB to the Wiener Linien.

No, I think the S45 is fine as S-Bahn.
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If S45 is operating on its own and has no other S line using its tracks, couldn't it be moved to the underground system definitively? (Becoming a U7, or something like that)
It could be. Sort of how the metro network in São Paulo works.
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