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Old December 16th, 2007, 01:02 PM   #141
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Some more Schottentor pictures:

The general view of the underground terminus, the University in the background:


Five lines stop at the underground level, five at street level:




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Old December 16th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #142
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Old December 16th, 2007, 03:46 PM   #143
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very good pictures, keep it going!

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Old December 18th, 2007, 09:33 PM   #144
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This is schottentor station. 8 tram lines and a underground line stop there. Whats so interesting about it?
Well, could you point another tram loop with tracks one above another, and the lower level smootly connected with underground shopping center?
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Old December 19th, 2007, 09:53 AM   #145
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This is schottentor station. 8 tram lines and a underground line stop there. Whats so interesting about it?
I saw this place when I was there a few years ago and was quite impressed.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 06:52 PM   #146
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I'd been to Vienna, I think their public transport system is just EXCELLENT !
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Old December 21st, 2007, 03:17 PM   #147
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Old January 12th, 2008, 03:36 PM   #148
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Old January 13th, 2008, 02:28 AM   #149
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I found this, and thought it was quite cool.

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Old January 13th, 2008, 03:29 AM   #150
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Regarding Schottentor: How about extending S 40 from Franz-Josefs Bahnhof to Stephansplatz via Schottentor? Excavations could be done fairly easily if you used the green area between the street and the tram line here: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8870/23oc5.jpg
It could afterwards be used as a light shaft for the S40 platform, which would be located somewhere around 10 meter below the tram concourse in order to be grade separated with the U2 line. The depth would anyways be neccessary for the endstation at Stephansplatz which would be located somewhere around 30-40 meter below the ground.


This way commuters from Tulln would have a great access to the city, and it would also be easier to commute to the university. Anyone on the U3 or U1 could change at Stephansplatz onto the S-trains heading north. You could also have a line like S1 (an example) or another S-line from the north to go to Stephansplatz via Handelskai and Heiligenstadt into the city and the university area.



Perhaps I just suggested the most expensive 1 km-project ever, but I believe it would be great for the Viennese transport system as a whole, not at least for the university.
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Regarding Schottentor: How about extending S 40 from Franz-Josefs Bahnhof to Stephansplatz via Schottentor? Excavations could be done fairly easily if you used the green area between the street and the tram line here: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8870/23oc5.jpg
It could afterwards be used as a light shaft for the S40 platform, which would be located somewhere around 10 meter below the tram concourse in order to be grade separated with the U2 line. The depth would anyways be neccessary for the endstation at Stephansplatz which would be located somewhere around 30-40 meter below the ground.


This way commuters from Tulln would have a great access to the city, and it would also be easier to commute to the university. Anyone on the U3 or U1 could change at Stephansplatz onto the S-trains heading north. You could also have a line like S1 (an example) or another S-line from the north to go to Stephansplatz via Handelskai and Heiligenstadt into the city and the university area.



Perhaps I just suggested the most expensive 1 km-project ever, but I believe it would be great for the Viennese transport system as a whole, not at least for the university.
I think the key term here is "most expensive 1km-project ever"

What do you gain in comparision to the status quo, and how much would it cost.

You have the D tram from Franz Josephsbahnhof to the university. Of course it might be a bit slower. But if you dont want to get to the university, you have already today the chance to switch to the U4 and U6 in Spittelau.

I am convinced you can invest that fortune far better elsewhere in the PT. For example getting a tight network on the other side of the danube.

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I know this map I made once is not perfect, but I think it fits in here.


yellow lines are the tram
white lines are bus lines
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Old January 15th, 2008, 10:12 PM   #152
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Nice map, good work!

About Grotlaufens idea: I like the idea even though I know, that it would never be realized. But the idea isn't bad. subway constructions are generally very expensive, but I prefer a real subway than "fake subways" as we have enough (U 1 after donauinsel for example).
you could make an underground line passing schottentor, stephansplatz, stubentor for example or schwarzenbergplatz and than head to the south of the city.
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Vienna is a very beautiful city, and one that I one day hope to visit. Especially as it is one of the worlds greatest tram cities, like my current residence of Melbourne.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:21 AM   #156
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Nice map, good work!

About Grotlaufens idea: I like the idea even though I know, that it would never be realized. But the idea isn't bad. subway constructions are generally very expensive, but I prefer a real subway than "fake subways" as we have enough (U 1 after donauinsel for example).
you could make an underground line passing schottentor, stephansplatz, stubentor for example or schwarzenbergplatz and than head to the south of the city.
I know the idea is very far-flung, but at the same time I find the idea very good to somehow extend the S-bahn from its current terminus. Franz-Josefs Bahnhof isn´t a very great transportation hub nor a very great commercial area (though the Austra Creditanstalt-building above the Franz-Josefsbahnhof is very imposing).

The idea of constructing U-bahn to Schwarzenbergplatz is what they have in plan for the U2-line, if I´m not misinformed. Perhaps an even better idea would be to skip the southern extension of U2 altogether and instead construct a S-bahn/semiUbahn from Franz-Josefs Bahnhof - Schottentor - Stephansplatz - Schwarzenbergplatz - Wien Hauptbahnhof. That would give the commuters north of Vienna a really good connection to the coming Hauptbahnhof.
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I know the idea is very far-flung, but at the same time I find the idea very good to somehow extend the S-bahn from its current terminus. Franz-Josefs Bahnhof isn´t a very great transportation hub nor a very great commercial area (though the Austra Creditanstalt-building above the Franz-Josefsbahnhof is very imposing).

The idea of constructing U-bahn to Schwarzenbergplatz is what they have in plan for the U2-line, if I´m not misinformed. Perhaps an even better idea would be to skip the southern extension of U2 altogether and instead construct a S-bahn/semiUbahn from Franz-Josefs Bahnhof - Schottentor - Stephansplatz - Schwarzenbergplatz - Wien Hauptbahnhof. That would give the commuters north of Vienna a really good connection to the coming Hauptbahnhof.
Es gibt schon derzeit die Bim die einem in die überall möglichen Richtungen bringt. Außerdem kann man in Spittelau in U6 und U4 wechseln. Wenn man zum Stefansplatz will muss man halt mit 2 U Linien fahren, dauert aber auch nur rund 10 min von Spittelau bis zum Stephansdom.

Wieso soll man bitte schön so viel Geld vergraben, nur damit man vielleicht 5 min schneller auf diesem speziellen Weg ist?
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Es gibt schon derzeit die Bim die einem in die überall möglichen Richtungen bringt. Außerdem kann man in Spittelau in U6 und U4 wechseln. Wenn man zum Stefansplatz will muss man halt mit 2 U Linien fahren, dauert aber auch nur rund 10 min von Spittelau bis zum Stephansdom.

Wieso soll man bitte schön so viel Geld vergraben, nur damit man vielleicht 5 min schneller auf diesem speziellen Weg ist?
Ist doch nur eine Träumerei! Wir wissen eh, dass das nie realisiert wird, aber mir würde es dennoch gefallen. Stell dir mal vor, das Geld wäre egal. Ich fände es gut!
Ich habe mir gestern gedacht, U2 und "verlängerte S-Bahn" treffen einander bei Schwarzenbergplatz, und man könnte daraus ein Finanzzentrum machen. Raiffeisen Investment und andere sind ja schon dort. Auf einer Hauswand große Screens anbringen (wie Picadilly Circus zB) mit Kursen, News, Werbungen. Das würde den Platz noch moderner machen, obwohl dort prunkvolle Häuser stehen. Die Screens aber noch innerhalb des Rings zB anbringen, da steht ein Haus, das nicht so schön ist. Wie gesagt: Träumerei.
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Nightshot by myself last night:

Tramway Line 42 crossing the Gürtel.

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Ist doch nur eine Träumerei! Wir wissen eh, dass das nie realisiert wird, aber mir würde es dennoch gefallen. Stell dir mal vor, das Geld wäre egal. Ich fände es gut!
Ich habe mir gestern gedacht, U2 und "verlängerte S-Bahn" treffen einander bei Schwarzenbergplatz, und man könnte daraus ein Finanzzentrum machen. Raiffeisen Investment und andere sind ja schon dort. Auf einer Hauswand große Screens anbringen (wie Picadilly Circus zB) mit Kursen, News, Werbungen. Das würde den Platz noch moderner machen, obwohl dort prunkvolle Häuser stehen. Die Screens aber noch innerhalb des Rings zB anbringen, da steht ein Haus, das nicht so schön ist. Wie gesagt: Träumerei.
Na vielleicht denke ich da zu wirtschaftlich. Ich stelle mir halt vor wie großartig man da das Bim Netzwerk um dieses Geld modernisieren, beschleunigen und ausbauen könnte. Zum Beispiel den Vorschlag der Untergrundstraßenbahn die über die Herrengasse das Schottentor mit der Oper verbindet. Die Rampe beim Schottentor gäbe es ja bereits.
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