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Old May 19th, 2013, 08:41 AM   #101
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A truly planned airport from my perspective. It's sad though that politics still interferes a lot in VIE's terminal and runway expansion prospects. I know it exists in other countries, but, judging from the aerial shots above, I see little to no reason why an expansion cannot be done. I know it's careful planning, but, I sense that there needs to be a resolution to solve the issue.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #102
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Just because you've an empty plot of land, doesn't mean you should expand for expansion sake. One of the main obstacles to expanding Vienna, in my opinion, was struck when the European carriers began their consolidation in the early 2000s, which narrowed down the leading gateways of the continent to just Frankfurt, Munich, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, London and to a smaller extent, Moscow. The anchor tenant, Austrian Airlines, hasn't been a stellar performer - it hasn't gotten any bigger since the takeover by Lufthansa Group, in fact, it's been doing worse. Austria itself, isn't a major economic or tourist power, which makes the prospect of expanding Vienna very dim. To make matters worse, Bratislava has become a reasonable LCC base alternative.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #103
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Old May 19th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #104
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Just because you've an empty plot of land, doesn't mean you should expand for expansion sake. One of the main obstacles to expanding Vienna, in my opinion, was struck when the European carriers began their consolidation in the early 2000s, which narrowed down the leading gateways of the continent to just Frankfurt, Munich, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, London and to a smaller extent, Moscow. The anchor tenant, Austrian Airlines, hasn't been a stellar performer - it hasn't gotten any bigger since the takeover by Lufthansa Group, in fact, it's been doing worse. Austria itself, isn't a major economic or tourist power, which makes the prospect of expanding Vienna very dim. To make matters worse, Bratislava has become a reasonable LCC base alternative.
BTS is not even remotely a serious competitor for VIE, OS finally reached the turn around (Lufthansa ordered a new 777, which they refused to do, until OS was capable to stand on her own feet again) despite rather tough economic surroundings and tourism is booming in Vienna. EK wants to expand their VIE business for a while now, but the Austrian aviation administration is blocking for protectionist reasons.

However, it is also a fact that the number of plane movements is dropping for a while now, which can be traced back to bigger passenger planes and less cargo planes.

Only real insiders are able to judge, whether a third runway is necessary or not. Mind, we're talking about a time scope of over 10 years until completion.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 11:40 AM   #105
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You cannot deny that protectionist policies led to the LCCs choosing to serve Vienna via Bratislava was opportunity lost for VIE's expansion.

Anyway, is VIE that busy that it needs a 3rd runway? The current arrangement seems fine, at least that's what figures and reviews insinuate.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 10:36 PM   #106
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There is plans to add the third runway to the south. It will be very far from the runway parallel to the terminal.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #107
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This is what's planned:



http://drittepiste.viennaairport.com...ve-mode=active
Everything about the 3rd runway, why it is needed and so on...
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Old May 21st, 2013, 12:13 AM   #108
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Just because you've an empty plot of land, doesn't mean you should expand for expansion sake. One of the main obstacles to expanding Vienna, in my opinion, was struck when the European carriers began their consolidation in the early 2000s, which narrowed down the leading gateways of the continent to just Frankfurt, Munich, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, London and to a smaller extent, Moscow. The anchor tenant, Austrian Airlines, hasn't been a stellar performer - it hasn't gotten any bigger since the takeover by Lufthansa Group, in fact, it's been doing worse. Austria itself, isn't a major economic or tourist power, which makes the prospect of expanding Vienna very dim. To make matters worse, Bratislava has become a reasonable LCC base alternative.
I am 100% sure that B772/3 is too big for Austrian. Not long ago I flew to Rome from Canada with Alitalia during the winter. So there was an option to fly with Austrian for $600 and $800 with Alitalia. I picked AZ for the political reasons and paid up $200 more. So once I boarded the AZ airplane, OS was parked right next to us. I was able to count their passengers, and they had about one hundred passengers at the most. It's easier to fill the airplane in the summer because you have the former ex YU crew, but sooner or later Turkish will snatch them with cheaper airfares and better service/newer equipment.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 01:37 AM   #109
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OS is no longer using it's 777 fleet on the VIE-YYZ relation, for obvious reasons. Serbs rather fly with shitty AZ and pay much more to please their political psychosis. Geez, you got some serious issues.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 10:38 AM   #110
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http://drittepiste.viennaairport.com...ve-mode=active
Everything about the 3rd runway, why it is needed and so on...
Hmmm interesting. Next questions: with that third runway, how many more flights can VIE handle per hour, and how many more passengers can be tapped annually? Plus, how many more terminals do you think will be built once the new runway is completed?
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Old May 21st, 2013, 12:22 PM   #111
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I am 100% sure that B772/3 is too big for Austrian. Not long ago I flew to Rome from Canada with Alitalia during the winter. So there was an option to fly with Austrian for $600 and $800 with Alitalia. I picked AZ for the political reasons and paid up $200 more. So once I boarded the AZ airplane, OS was parked right next to us. I was able to count their passengers, and they had about one hundred passengers at the most. It's easier to fill the airplane in the summer because you have the former ex YU crew, but sooner or later Turkish will snatch them with cheaper airfares and better service/newer equipment.
I don't get it. What "political reasons" are you exactly talking about that made you choose the more expensive flight?
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 08:20 AM   #112
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I don't get it. What "political reasons" are you exactly talking about that makes you choose the more expansive flight?
It was a B767 not a B777 whoever brought it up.


I wanted to fly Italian airline because I found Italians to be very pro Serbian in terms of Serbia joining the EU. On top of that, I was eager to land in Rome around 6am and did not want to arrive at noon with OS, as well as having to avoid connection. I flew via Vienna to Belgrade a few years ago and it was a nightmare. I did not like the old, tired terminal. A part from that, Austrian's B767 are well over two decades old..


This summer I am going to try Turkish and Emirates.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 01:46 PM   #113
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i dont know why they dont make it next to first one and build the terminal on other side
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Old November 19th, 2013, 12:26 PM   #114
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I flew via Vienna to Belgrade a few years ago and it was a nightmare. I did not like the old, tired terminal. A part from that, Austrian's B767 are well over two decades old..
The terminal is new now. As are the 767 cabins. But of course you can fly with whom you like .

Another note, a spotter's hill was constructed at VIE, and fence openings were cut to allow for photography. The hill is located on the extended axis of Rwy 29 on the Eastern side. You can see the location of the photography openings in the fence on the linked website.

http://www.austrianaviation.net/news...s-oktober.html
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Old November 19th, 2013, 12:27 PM   #115
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i dont know why they dont make it next to first one and build the terminal on other side
They want to have independent operations and need curved approaches for noise abatement NIMBY appease. Thus the high lateral separation is planned.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 09:34 PM   #116
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:38 PM   #117
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When will the new runway's construction start?
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Old December 7th, 2013, 08:33 AM   #118
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Old December 7th, 2013, 10:11 AM   #119
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When will the new runway's construction start?
Construction not before 2016
ETA not before 2021
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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #120
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Do they really need a third runway? I mean, the PAX numbers are not staggering and I'd think that the airport can handle the volumes well into the next decade, no?
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