LONDON - New White Hart Lane (56,250)

[topalex]

I've banged on about this before but..assuming everything is nearly ready to announce to the world that the NDP is good to go..would it be too much to expect some new renders of the stadium?

Taking into account the expected 'modest' capacity increase on the 56k and the fact there has only ever been the one interior render officially published, I think its only fair to expect a few more interior shots, hopefully showing seat colours/patterns, logos etc, to be published.
Maybe once the funding/sponsorship is all in place we'll get a big press release and a glut of new images to pore over.

[Harry1990]

Do you think modest means 5k or less? Dont really know modest is really vague

[2005]

Originally Posted by topalex

I've banged on about this before but..assuming everything is nearly ready to announce to the world that the NDP is good to go..would it be too much to expect some new renders of the stadium?

Taking into account the expected 'modest' capacity increase on the 56k and the fact there has only ever been the one interior render officially published, I think its only fair to expect a few more interior shots, hopefully showing seat colours/patterns, logos etc, to be published.
Maybe once the funding/sponsorship is all in place we'll get a big press release and a glut of new images to pore over.

We keep talking about it as if will happen but there is no evidence that it will DEFINITELY happen. Wouldn't surprise me if they fail to increase or realise that they might not be able to.

[Harry1990]

Im sure it was said in the recent council meeting? Plus initial plans were 60k so that must be ok logistically only got lowered yo 56k to add a single tier in

[Lilbaz]

What is the footprint of the stadium compared to the Emirates or San Siro?

Has the interior of the stadium already been designed (I know we have renders of the single stand and how steep the tiers are) or do we still have a bit of room to manoeuvre?

It's my belief that we should go for the highest capacity possible. I know the arguments against but most of them are short term and based on where we are now, not where we want to be in 5-10-15 years.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by topalex

Yeah I kind of got the gist of where this area was but I was a tad worried that construction might not start on the supermarket for another 12 months as well!
Do you think we'd be allowed to move this thread into 'under construction' once they start on the Sainsburys? Perhaps at the very least they could park a couple of diggers on the stadium site to get us all hot n bothered! (ok I realise that was a bit over the top..it takes more than 2 diggers to get me aroused.....maybe a crane ahem)

Ha!

Nah, I think we have to wait until the stadium itself is underway before we add U/C to the title of this thread.

Maybe there's a Shops and Supermarkets sub forum on skyscrapercity to keep us interested in the meanwhile?

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Colm Flynn

It's from goal.com so I would take it with a pinch of salt. :p

goal.com isn't actually such a bad source. Not always, at least.

They have a journo (Wayne Veysey?) who gets some pretty solid Spurs info.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by topalex

I've banged on about this before but..assuming everything is nearly ready to announce to the world that the NDP is good to go..would it be too much to expect some new renders of the stadium?

Taking into account the expected 'modest' capacity increase on the 56k and the fact there has only ever been the one interior render officially published, I think its only fair to expect a few more interior shots, hopefully showing seat colours/patterns, logos etc, to be published.
Maybe once the funding/sponsorship is all in place we'll get a big press release and a glut of new images to pore over.

I'd be very surprised if we didn't get new renders once the new plans are announced.

And we'll also surely, at some point, get some renders of what the interior spaces will be like - especially the corporate areas.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Harry1990

Do you think modest means 5k or less? Dont really know modest is really vague

No one knows.

Could mean less than a thousand. Could be more than 5,000.

Best guess seems to be an increase to a little over 60K.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by 2005

We keep talking about it as if will happen but there is no evidence that it will DEFINITELY happen. Wouldn't surprise me if they fail to increase or realise that they might not be able to.

All the ITK suggests that it will definitely happen.

It was first mentioned in a report by the Supporters Trust of one of their meetings with the club.

And Haringey planning documents - relating to the recent alterations to Spurs' plans for the northern and southern ends of the NDP - claim that there will be a further planning application from Spurs regarding material changes to the stadium itself.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Lilbaz

What is the footprint of the stadium compared to the Emirates or San Siro?

Has the interior of the stadium already been designed (I know we have renders of the single stand and how steep the tiers are) or do we still have a bit of room to manoeuvre?

It's my belief that we should go for the highest capacity possible. I know the arguments against but most of them are short term and based on where we are now, not where we want to be in 5-10-15 years.

Agreed.

I suspect that the club had a rethink on stadium capacity after the introduction of the FFP rules. It will henceforward be more important than ever that Spurs maximizes every possible revenue stream.

[imagod]

Originally Posted by Loughtonspur

I might be wrong but I think I read somewhere that building work is unlikely to start until the training ground is completed and transfers into a tangible asset on the books.

Can't think why that would be.

[LAYiddo]

I thought the planning application was listed under Major Developments on the Haringey website? Where the hell has it gone!

http://www.planningservices.haringey...lopmentservlet

[Loughtonspur]

Originally Posted by LAYiddo

I thought the planning application was listed under Major Developments on the Haringey website? Where the hell has it gone!

http://www.planningservices.haringey...lopmentservlet

Not sure why it's no longer listed in the major developments section but it is still available if searched for.

http://www.planningservices.haringey...et?PKID=252825

http://www.planningservices.haringey...et?PKID=252805

The last couple of docs are new and confirm the granted planning permission.

[LAYiddo]

Originally Posted by Loughtonspur

Not sure why it's no longer listed in the major developments section but it is still available if searched for.

http://www.planningservices.haringey...et?PKID=252825

http://www.planningservices.haringey...et?PKID=252805

The last couple of docs are new and confirm the granted planning permission.

Nice one, thanks. I used the number they have on the website and it took me to the 2010 application. That was a little outdated!

[Buckle & pals]

There is no promise of a capacity increase. It may or may not accompany whatever changes Spurs are thinking of making to the inside of the stadium. The FFP regs should not materially affect the calculations in this regard. Capacity can be too high for a given level of demand, thus lowering revenues. Spurs will, no doubt, be keeping a weather eye on all kinds of factors that might affect the supply and demand of seats, including our own success, the economic situation in general, the economic situation in football, the likely amount of money available to build the stadium, and so on.

Rumours of our nearing a financing deal are just that: rumours. It would not surprise me if nothing is announced for a number of months. Perhaps waiting to the end of the season is important. Maybe work will have to start on Sainsbury's. It's also been said that they'd like to complete the training ground and academy first: this should be complete by July/August (not so far away).

[ryebreadraz]

Capacity 60,362...or one seat more than the Emirates.

[EJG]

Please, no. Having a capacity that "just so happened" to be one single seat more than their stadium would make us look petty and small time.

Luckily the fact that the original plans were for around 58K and then dropped to 56K to accommodate the single tier stand shows me that Daniel Levy et al are more concerned with doing what's right for us, rather than engaging in a pointless willy waving contest with the team down the road.

[topalex]

''Please, no. Having a capacity that "just so happened" to be one single seat more than their stadium would make us look petty and small time.''

Agreed.

As a Spurs fan the only thing I want is a stadium better than the Emirates...which if all goes to plan, we will have. The eventual capacity doesnt bother me...I want to be closer to the pitch, have a higher rake of tier, a roof that doesnt slope towards the pitch, a 'home end', more rows in the upper tiers, navy blue seats full of Spurs fans!!

But seriously the Emirates is a good stadium so if we can improve on that then all the better.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Buckle & pals

There is no promise of a capacity increase. It may or may not accompany whatever changes Spurs are thinking of making to the inside of the stadium. The FFP regs should not materially affect the calculations in this regard. Capacity can be too high for a given level of demand, thus lowering revenues. Spurs will, no doubt, be keeping a weather eye on all kinds of factors that might affect the supply and demand of seats, including our own success, the economic situation in general, the economic situation in football, the likely amount of money available to build the stadium, and so on.

Rumours of our nearing a financing deal are just that: rumours. It would not surprise me if nothing is announced for a number of months. Perhaps waiting to the end of the season is important. Maybe work will have to start on Sainsbury's. It's also been said that they'd like to complete the training ground and academy first: this should be complete by July/August (not so far away).

Indeed, there has been no promise of a capacity increase.

But I am confident that we have enough solid info to be sure that it is on the cards. It was first mentioned in a Supporters Trust report of one of their regular meetings with Daniel Levy, Donna Cullen et al. That's when we first heard the phrase, "modest increase". There was subsequently the occasional snippet from a reliable ITK (apparently, they do exist!) on stadium issues. Finally, we have the Haringey document which states that a further planning application from Spurs - regarding "material changes" to the stadium - will be forthcoming.

You're right to say that an increase in the proposed capacity would not necessarily translate into an increase in revenues. But I think that the FFP rules will still have caused something of a rethink from Spurs. The limited space on the site and the particular design of the stadium would mean that, once built, it is highly unlikely that capacity would ever be increased - even if it should become necessary. The costs would outweigh the benefit. So it's not hard to imagine why Spurs might now prefer to maximize the capacity, on a stadium with the same footprint, while we still can.

I don't think that anyone has suggested, at this stage, that the club is close to securing a naming rights deal. It would certainly help, though, if the team didn't seem so hell bent on throwing away Champions League qualification! Could make a big difference to the value of any deal.

As to the training ground, I would hope that it is completed by the end of June at the latest, since pre season training will start in early July.