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Old July 8th, 2013, 04:44 AM   #2721
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Old July 8th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #2722
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Rising Above the Rails at Hudson Yards
Related Cos. and Time Warner Inc. Poised for Deal

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Land-hungry New York City developers have been creating enormously valuable property out of thin air for more than a century by building concrete platforms over rusty rail yards.

Now Related Cos., with the help of media behemoth Time Warner Inc., TWX -0.75%is poised to take this classic form of real-estate alchemy to a new level

The developer is on the verge of a two-pronged deal in which Time Warner would move to a planned 80-story new headquarters atop a platform Related would build over a rail yard on the far West Side. At the same time, Related would buy the Time Warner Center, the company's decade-old world existing headquarters at Columbus Circle, for more than $1.3 billion, according to people familiar with the deal.

If a tentative agreement is signed, it would be a game-changer for the sprawling rail yard that has been recognized for decades as one of Manhattan's great undeveloped sites. The relocation of a prestigious company like Time Warner there would provide an enormous boost to Related's $15 billion Hudson Yards plan to develop a 13.4 million-square-foot megaproject on 26 acres.

Much of it would be built on two massive podiums above acres of tracks. "We're constructing a new city-within-a-city to hand over to our children," says Jim White, an engineer and 30-year construction veteran who is overseeing the building of the platform for Related.

To be sure, it will likely take years—perhaps even decades—before Related can claim unqualified success. The developer will have to ride out the ups and downs of future economic cycles, adjust to fast-changing technology, surmount daunting construction hurdles and face multiple other challenges to make its vision a reality.

But its reclamation technique has been well-tested. Minting land on vast platforms over active rail lines in a city where it is bewitchingly scarce is a venerable Manhattan tradition: Starting in 1902, some of the world's most treasured real estate was conjured up out of cinders and soot when the New York Central Railroad submerged its tracks and yards, capped them with a steel deck and spurred the development of Park Avenue.

"Ride into Grand Central and what you see—columns rising from below with a hard deck above and buildings and roads and open spaces above that—is remarkably similar to what we're doing at Hudson Yards," said Ron Wackrow, 66 years old, the Related executive vice president overseeing all design and construction at Hudson Yards.

These days, the esoteric art of platform design also figures in other New York developments. Forest City Ratner is eventually planning to build a large platform next to its Barclays Center project, on top of which the master plan calls for six residential towers and open space. One block east of Hudson Yards, Brookfield Office Properties Inc. BPO.T +1.27%broke ground in January on its $4.5 billion Manhattan West office development. That project includes a 2.6-acre platform over the same tracks that Hudson Yards will be spanning.

Long backed by the Bloomberg administration, the covering of the West Side rail yards could reshape the western end of Midtown just as the burying of the rails north of Grand Central Terminal fueled a boom in Midtown East. Related's project calls for a forest of four residential and commercial towers, including Time Warner's prospective site to the north and an office building now under way on West 30th Street anchored by Coach Inc. COH +0.31%A public plaza and five-story luxury shopping mall connecting the two office towers will also sit on the podium.

"Covering Park Avenue moved the central business district from downtown to Midtown. Now, this could expand it into far westward territory," says Alexander Garvin, the urban planner who proposed capping the yards in 1996 and worked on the city's unsuccessful bid for the 2012 Olympic Games, which called for a new stadium on the site.

The first platform at the heart of Related's plans—between 10th and 11th avenues—would cost roughly $750 million and take more than two years to complete. It must be built, gingerly, inside a sprawling rail yard with 30 tracks on an upper level, where the LIRR parks and maintains its trains, and three tunnels on a lower level, through which Amtrak and NJ Transit ferry its passengers.

Anchored in bedrock and serving as the foundation for the buildings above, which range from 600 to 1,300 feet in height, the deck will rest on 300 caissons, which are watertight, vertical retaining supports, with about 200 of them interspersed among the tracks. The caissons weigh between 4 and 60 tons and will be sunk to depths up to 80 feet below the rails.

The underbelly of the platform, the lower sections of its structural trusses, will be about 20 feet above the tracks, Related says. All three railroads say they're closely monitoring design and construction to avoid train interference and ensure safe operations.

To pinpoint the exact location of railroad infrastructure and utilities, Related began drilling exploratory pits in the railbed in May. It starts relocating utilities later this month, a five-month task, then undertakes the delicate, 14-month installation of caissons in January, riding the rails with specially engineered equipment to drill through soil and rock.

"The technology is far superior to what was used at Grand Central," says Mr. White.

Construction near the West Side rail yards at the Hudson Yardsproject last week.



A 1913 photograph of Grand Central Terminal.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #2723
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Sorry for going off-topic, but that brown and tan building in the first image is ugly as hell.

Any chance they'll demolish it?
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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:01 PM   #2724
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That is 450 W 33rd. Yea I agree with you. That building is part of Manhattan West Brookfield HY project. Their plans are to re clad the building in all glass. They may however in the long term future demo it and build something special there. But if it gets glassed up it will not be bad anymore.

Below is the picture of 450W33rd in glass cladding.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 07:08 PM   #2725
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The re-cladding looks much better.

That render reminds me so much of the original WTC, with 450 W acting as the marriot hotel.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 03:01 AM   #2726
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Does anyone know when this will begin construction?
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Old July 10th, 2013, 03:28 AM   #2727
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They start the platform on Jan., and I believe that, at least part of the tower will be on the platform.
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Old July 10th, 2013, 05:16 AM   #2728
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I would expect excavation to start soon after they have a deal, no need to wait for the platform construction to start for that
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Old July 10th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #2729
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I'm sure planning is not that tight, is there even a contractor signed already?
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Old July 11th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #2730
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Is the glass going to be simalar to bank of america tower? If not can anyone give me an example
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Old July 11th, 2013, 01:43 PM   #2731
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I'm sure planning is not that tight, is there even a contractor signed already?
tutor perini has this entire project.
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The West Side Story: Hudson Yards
http://westviewnews.org/2013/07/the-...-hudson-yards/

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How often does an urban city have the opportunity to build a city within a city? If it’s lucky, once. New York City has achieved this twice, with the development of the Hudson Yards. We may all remember the first time involving the luscious 96 acres of Battery Park City, which started with a landfill that came from our iconic structures of the World Trade Center. The Hudson Yards comprises 26 acres on the very west side of Manhattan that once belonged to the MTA. It extends from West 28th Street on the south, Seventh and Eighth Avenues on the east, West 43rd Street on the north, and the Hudson River on the west. Five years ago, Related, a dynamic company that designs, builds, and maintains developments, won the bid.

Following the success of the Time Warner Center, Related has proved itself in being master planners of residential and commercial spaces bringing together a diversified portfolio of A-class retailers, restaurants, food market, luxury residential homes, and office space. There was confidence that Related, as New York developers, could deliver something exceptional, facing a frontier that no other firm

In Manhattan ever had – the ability to create everything New Yorkers need in these 26 acres. The Yards is very different from Battery Park City where a handful of developers from Brookfield to Brodsky had the opportunity to make their mark. In May, 2010, Related announced their 50% partnership with Canadian firm Oxford Properties Group; a firm that has never developed anything in Manhattan.

Related recently organized an AIA (The American Institute of Architects) event featuring an eight week speaker series. It has been the most visited exhibit and runs until August. I was fortunate to have a conversation with Michael Samuelian, VP of Hudson Yards and Bill Pedersen of KPF, the creative mastermind behind Hudson Yards. I felt compelled as a New Yorker to ask Michael Samuelian why they weren’t using a New York-based firm. Samuelian responded, “Oxford is a perfect partner for us. They are not looking for a short and quick turn game, they are looking for long term; the very big picture what they call patient money.” Oxford has been looking to strategically invest in New York to diversify their successful investments in Canada and London (Watermark Place and The Leadenhall Building). “We are lucky enough to get them to partner with us in looking for a great presence and they couldn’t have picked a better project. We get the development experience, we are the New York developer and they are our financial partner,” Samuelian added.

In finding the roots of a new neighborhood’s needs, Related looked back to the successful relationship with Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates who were the firm behind Time Warner Center and are responsible for the overall Hudson Yards master plan in addition to the design of the two commercial towers and retail podium. In a collaborative effort, the other architects were chosen – Dillier Scofidio + Renfro and the Rockwell Group – to design the 72-story residential tower that will compromise half rental and half condominium. The tower is designed to LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) gold standards and will consist of luxurious amenities such as a health club, indoor pool, dog spa, chef kitchens, business center, party and screening room with a landscaped rooftop terrace.

David M. Childs of Skidmore, Owings and Merril (SOM) are destined to set new heights in the development of the E Tower with engineering, science and art compiled in a graceful structure. SOM as always takes into consideration the habitat and Mother Nature’s gifts of sun and wind optimizing in keeping the building cool through its clever design and materials used. Refer back to the award winning and elegant Al Hamra Tower in Kuwait City, Kuwait how carefully the buildings curves are situated to block peak sun in a scorching city like Kuwait City. The shops and restaurants of the Yards will be a destination for everyone combining an unparalleled shopping and dining experience. The open space, created by internationally acclaimed architect and urban designer Elkus Manfredi Architects, will be a glass 750,000 sq ft retail center allowing spectacular views of New York. This will be a place where we go even if we have no shopping or no dining but an affectionate space to watch a magnificent sunset. It will be surrounded by The Public Square designed by Nelson Byrd Woltz Landscape Architects. Related has graciously dedicated six acres of space where people can gather, sit at the cafes or walk through the many gardens; an immense space where the sense of intimacy will be felt through the landscaping and a space where we will all find our favorite spot.

Additionally, Related will have seven buildings for residential apartments with an 80/20 program in place. An 80/20 program has a percentage of units that are allocated to lower and middle income families. This is classic of Related as many of their developments are designed this way. When I asked Michael Samuelian about Related supporting this structure for their rental developments he said, “It’s our testament to our faith in NYC and the basis means integrating affordable units into market rate units. The 80/20 is a great model rather than building housing projects. I live in an 80/20 myself and you cannot tell the difference. It’s a beautiful thing. It’s about creating a real neighborhood, not just a development; a reflection of diversity.” To add to the master plan, Related is including a public school with 750 seats. Whilst required by the city, Samuelian added, “We absolutely embraced the idea.”

When considering the west side of Manhattan, we think in real estate, because that is where the money is. Even up to a decade ago, no one thought the west side of Manhattan would be the place that attracted everyone 24/7. It was the Highline that broke down the barrier. Our once elevated train track was turned into an elevated park landscaped with seasonal flowers and plants; it became a meeting place for people to enjoy the views and relax. Michael Samuelian said, “The Highline was transformational in terms of the west side. It brought in a lot more people than normally and lot of attention in raising the design quality of the neighborhood.”

As the evening progressed, I was introduced to Bill Pedersen, Principal Design Partner of Kohn Pedersen Fox. The creative force behind the Hudson Yards, Pedersen is a handsome and towering man. Seeing how the two towers stand tall on the very west side of our island, what did Pederson desire for New Yorkers to connect with most? Pedersen’s response, “I designed it for the buildings specifically to connect to New York. The specific design that I am responsible for deals with two major office buildings and a retail complex in between; the relationship between those two buildings in the matter of which they interact initial relationship the way each of them are shaped and designed in such a way where they gesture both to the city and to the river with a complex dialogue…Our complex receives the energy of the Highline coming up and how in fact it terminates it. Then every corner of our complex receives a gesture in relationship to that specific aspect of the site and that is how we try to create a building that is part of New York.”

When we think of the scale of this entire project – not just a development of a building or a two block redevelopment like Canary Warf in London, but a whole new city – we are curious about Bill Pederson’s architectural principals for this project. “The principal of relationships that was the most important thing,” Pederson said. He continued, “How does one create relationship? Not only with the physical context but also with those who will be experiencing the entire development such that the relationship of scale from the human being to the individual component of the building becomes more intense and more differentiated the closer you come to the ground so as a result it becomes more inviting. You are creating intimacy.”

On the KPF website there is a description of the two towers that Mr. Pedersen described as “the two buildings tilt in opposing directions as if they are having a purposeful dialogue.” I asked, “Mr. Pedersen did you ever create a dialogue in your head?” Pedersen responded, “The West Side Story, it’s dangerous to speak about as an influence because it’s non-architectural.”

Anyone involved in The Hudson Yards upholds a certain responsibility to create a masterpiece that New York will never have an opportunity to create a city like this again. In asking Pedersen if he feels this is his masterpiece, his signature mark of all his philosophies designing all these years. He responded, “It certainly is. I have been working on tall buildings for over 50 years and I have been trying to find various ways to enable them to create a relationship and the context that they find themselves in. One can say this is the final exam. I have been trying to deal with this particular aspect of architecture for so many years and I feel I have a good understanding of what I have been trying to accomplish and I was given the opportunity that was allowed for that.”

The Hudson Yards is a space that will include a new commercial district, a new neighborhood, and new standards in design encompassing ground breaking aesthetics to the buildings that will bring brilliance to engineering. In reading what all the architects had to say with regards to the Hudson Yards, all their philosophies throughout the years in architecture, engineer, science, art and design blend together in a project where all had to reach new heights and frontiers in creating their masterpiece. As Samuelian cleverly ended the conversation, “The best of New York designs the best of New York.”

See you at the Yards,

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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:30 AM   #2733
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Went by the site this afternoon on the High Line. I got close up pics off rebar and the cranes. There were several other tall residential looking buildings going up around it.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 02:25 PM   #2734
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The North Tower would be an ideal spot for Sotheby's since the HY is adjacent to the Chelsea gallery district:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...VNGhBtjFZ2vtiM

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Stephen Ross of Related Cos. is bidding on Sotheby’s 500,000 square-foot building at 1334 York Ave., with a proposal that includes snagging them as a tenant for his Hudson Yards project.

The proposed 1031 tax-free exchange would have Sotheby’s buy — and perhaps partially lease — several hundred thousand square feet in the 750,000 square-foot retail podium that connects the first two office towers at Hudson Yards.

The scheme is modeled on Related’s deal with Coach for offices in the South Tower and the ongoing talks with Time Warner for the North Tower, with Related buying their current buildings.

Douglas Harmon and Adam Spies of Eastdil Secured are marketing Sotheby’s building, while Peter Riguardi and Alexander Chudnoff of Jones Lang LaSalle are leading the new office search. All parties declined to comment.

L’Oreal’s 402,000-foot lease in the 1.8 million square-foot South Tower has a clause that precludes that tower from being named for any “entity” — whether a tenant or “otherwise” — while other clauses prevent leasing to competitors.

Many already call it the “Coach Tower” for its anchor tenant, while Related execs circumspectly refer to it as “Tower C” or, rarely, by its address at 501 W. 30th St.

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L’Oreal’s 402,000-foot lease in the 1.8 million square-foot South Tower has a clause that precludes that tower from being named for any “entity” — whether a tenant or “otherwise” — while other clauses prevent leasing to competitors.

Many already call it the “Coach Tower” for its anchor tenant, while Related execs circumspectly refer to it as “Tower C” or, rarely, by its address at 501 W. 30th St.

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That is interesting. The building has already been dubbed the Coach Tower in the media and in the industry. To me Coach is what made all this happen. just like One Beacon Court, people are always referencing it as the Bloomberg Tower.

No wonder Coach donated $$ to High-line to name part of the high-line by Tower C "Coach Way" it's brilliant and subtle reminder for people in the area.

Anyways, Related has done a heck of a job securing tenants and having the chutzpah to lead the way in creating an amazing city within a city project.

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Sorry for going off-topic, but that brown and tan building in the first image is ugly as hell.

Any chance they'll demolish it?
It's not exactly pretty no, but i still quite like it for its Bladerunner'esque appearance
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So is this article saying Sotheby's would move into the retail podium, but not into the tower? They could have a pretty fantastic gallery space there... but don't they need offices too? Will part of the podium (presumably the uppermost floors) be configured for that?
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If Sotheby's moved into the retail space, I think the prospect of new restaurants comparable to those of TWC greatly increases. If I recall, there may be (?) one at the top of the North Tower as well - would make a great location for NYC's next best.

The contrast between HY & surroundings will definitely be severe, especially as long as 450 West 33rd continues to stand, with its extremely hostile approach to the pedestrian sphere right across the street. This could and probably will be an initial barrier to the super high-end luxury market.
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sorry for the dumb question but I'm having trouble understanding this. is it that they are converting retail space to office space for sotheby's, sotheby's is going to lease the space out to retailers to fill the space, or sotheby's is going to convert the space into an art gallery?
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So is this article saying Sotheby's would move into the retail podium, but not into the tower? They could have a pretty fantastic gallery space there... but don't they need offices too? Will part of the podium (presumably the uppermost floors) be configured for that?
That was simply an editing error. Related has been saying all along that it intends to make money from residential and retail. Thus, it will not eliminate retail. In fact, the huge, upscale mall was a selling point to commercial tenants that Related cannot now disavow. The mall also will be a huge selling point to residential tenants.

The mall will be very easy to fill with sky high rents. As Silverstein and Brookfield can attest, filling towers is not so easy.
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