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Old October 6th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #2961
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So a building of that size on a much smaller footprint?
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Old October 6th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #2962
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A little off-topic! Will the roads like this one in NY, never get re-done?
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Old October 6th, 2013, 08:06 PM   #2963
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The roads have to get redone sometime.

When I was in NYC, my father and I were eating across the street from the Plaza Hotel when a giant pothole opened up in the middle of 57th Street. A portion of the road a little bigger than the size of a manhole collapsed, leaving a giant pit in the road. We were waiting for a car to hit it and get screwed.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #2964
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So a building of that size on a much smaller footprint?
That would mean a taller tower!
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Old October 6th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #2965
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/310069976 If, in fact, Related gets the MCDONALD'S site, it will support a tower of over 3m sft.
Did you take into consideration in your figure the air rights that can be transferred from 1 Hudson sight? That's additional 700 s ft!
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #2966
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That road WAS re-done. They patched the potholes, didn't they? NYC has 6,300 miles of road and 2,027 bridges. It's impossible to keep everything in perfect shape. The high cost of labor, and the disruption due to re-paving add to the problem.
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The roads have to get redone sometime. When I was in NYC, my father and I were eating across the street from the Plaza Hotel when a giant pothole opened up in the middle of 57th Street. A portion of the road a little bigger than the size of a manhole collapsed, leaving a giant pit in the road. We were waiting for a car to hit it and get screwed.
Yea NYC has many of those (pot holes) unfortunately especially after winter that's why when I see a guy drives a Ferrari in the city, I think they are nuts!
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #2968
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That road WAS re-done. They patched the potholes, didn't they? NYC has 6,300 miles of road and 2,027 bridges. It's impossible to keep everything in perfect shape. The high cost of labor, and the disruption due to re-paving add to the problem.
I'm not an expert, you think if used a higher quality pavement we will have a lesser problem with our roads ?
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #2969
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I'm not an expert, you think if used a higher quality pavement we will have a lesser problem with our roads ?
It would but usually bids go out to lowest cost contractors all the time. The problem is with cheap material, there is higher cost of repairs.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #2970
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That road WAS re-done. They patched the potholes, didn't they? NYC has 6,300 miles of road and 2,027 bridges. It's impossible to keep everything in perfect shape. The high cost of labor, and the disruption due to re-paving add to the problem.
Wait what?
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Old October 7th, 2013, 04:46 AM   #2971
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Yea NYC has many of those (pot holes) unfortunately especially after winter that's why when I see a guy drives a Ferrari in the city, I think they are nuts!
Here's the one I was talking about:



Someone put a trash bag in front of it to keep people from hitting it.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 06:01 AM   #2972
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The roads have to get redone sometime.

When I was in NYC, my father and I were eating across the street from the Plaza Hotel when a giant pothole opened up in the middle of 57th Street. A portion of the road a little bigger than the size of a manhole collapsed, leaving a giant pit in the road. We were waiting for a car to hit it and get screwed.
I think something like that happened at Broadway, too, sometime before. There was a forceful eruption of water from down the manhole or what I'm not sure? What was that exactly?
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Old October 7th, 2013, 04:57 PM   #2973
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A little off-topic! Will the roads like this one in NY, never get re-done?
The roads are getting redone all the time. And then they're getting dug up again and patched again...

This NYC web page allows you sample the DOT's various "resurfacing" schedules:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/mot...urfintro.shtml

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Old October 7th, 2013, 05:30 PM   #2974
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Someone put a trash bag in front of it to keep people from hitting it.
The photo below is from NY state's MTA Capital Construction corporation, It shows what is occurring under E50th St (I think) near Grand Central Terminal. All this space will be back filled and compacted before the street above is paved. The steel beams holding the street/decking above get removed when the street is returned to the city's maintenance.

This kind of work leaves plenty of possibilities for void formation in the future due to water erosion, hydrocompaction:

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Original MTACC photo here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtacc-e...n/photostream/

Note that portions of the 10th Ave east of the North Tower are built on top of a viaduct over LIRR tracks. The to-be-created Hudson Blvd to the Tower's west will be built on a platform above the LIRR's rail yard. This might actually reduce pothole formation because there will be less fill to erode under the street pavement...
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Old October 7th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #2975
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A little off-topic! Will the roads like this one in NY, never get re-done?
For reference of what the FIRST Hudson Blvd Park site (between W33rd & 34th in above photo,) looked like in 7/2011 I've posted this snip from Google Earth Street View. This photo is looking NORTH from 33rd st towards 34th where I took the photo above last week. That Boulevard Park (opening 6/2014) is built on the compacted fill and structures that went into the excavated pit below. To help locate 34th street in the photo, the crowd of workers on the ramp are on the ramp that leads up to 34th. The red brick building in photo middle does not exist now. By June I assume that short section of Hudson Blvd will be paved. And maybe they will already have dug a portion & patched it by the end of 2014...

Snipped GoogleEarth Street View:

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Original snip here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10143211435/ & you can always use GE to go to 40deg45'17.18"N 74deg00'03.41"W & look north
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Note that when I was there last week they had moved the drill rig out of the future site of the North Tower (the current NE corner of the West Side Yards) to drill in 10th Ave for the Amtrak Gateway tunnel box. That construction will enable construction of the overbuild platform in the SE corner of the rail yard. That section of the platform will connect to the Coach/South tower first, AFAIK

So I am unaware of any current obvious construction efforts for the North Tower.

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Old October 10th, 2013, 05:38 AM   #2977
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In the following vidro, Sherwood's principal, Jeff Katz, discusses his HY site on 10th and 34th, which can support a 2.5m sf tower. This is the site just north of McDs.

http://media.crainsnewyork.com/video...n-hudson-yards
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Old October 10th, 2013, 08:00 AM   #2978
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In the following vidro, Sherwood's principal, Jeff Katz, discusses his HY site on 10th and 34th, which can support a 2.5m sf tower. This is the site just north of McDs. http://media.crainsnewyork.com/video...n-hudson-yards
If the 57th street corridor is the skinny supertall district, then the Hudson Yards will be the hefty supertall district.

HY North (2.5 m sf)
HY South (1.7 m sf)
MW North (2.2 m sf)
MW South (3.2 m sf)
1 Hudson Blvd (1 m sf) aka 1 Hudson Yards
2 Hudson Blvd (3 m sf) aka McDonalds
3 Hudson Blvd (1.8 m sf) aka Girasol
4 Hudson Blvd (2.5 m sf) aka Sherwood
6 Hudson Blvd (1.5 m sf) aka 517W35 * just purchased by Related
HY Tower E (1.1 m sf) aka Equinox
HY Tower D (800 K)

* I'm guessing 517W35 would be 6 HBVLD judging by the location
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Old October 10th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #2979
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I agree. The HY is amazing.

450 W 33rd also has over 2m sfr of air rights. Once MW is built and occupied, it will redevelop that site. I don't think anything will happen with MW for ten years, and I doubt that anything will occur with 450 for 20 years, but it will eventually.
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Saw this on Related's HY site.
http://www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com/arts-parks

A monumental sculpture will be featured at the center of the dramatically landscaped Public Square.



Plus 3 dynamic new parks all converging at the Hudson Yards.

Hi-Line Park


Hudson River Park


Hudson Park & Boulevard
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