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Old October 20th, 2013, 07:32 AM   #3021
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It's amazing that this pile of garbage was Related's initial plan for this site. It would have been the anti-Boehner (which, I guess, is the Nancy Pelosi)

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Old October 20th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #3022
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The old ones remind me of the massing shown for 225. Gives me hope for a good design.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 11:44 AM   #3023
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The old ones remind me of the massing shown for 225. Gives me hope for a good design.
Lol, I was thinking that too! I hope ur right.
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Old October 21st, 2013, 03:22 AM   #3024
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Old October 21st, 2013, 03:39 AM   #3025
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Old October 21st, 2013, 05:22 PM   #3026
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There might be too much retail space. There's Fulton Street Station, WTC, Brookfield Place and now this?
While that might be a concern for those three developments, as they're very close to each other, this development is far away from all three and thus they are irrelevant to its success.

In any case, the WFC and the old WTC mall co-existed and made immense profit before 9/11, so it seems unlikely that those three would have any glut problems.
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Old October 21st, 2013, 06:33 PM   #3027
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While that might be a concern for those three developments, as they're very close to each other, this development is far away from all three and thus they are irrelevant to its success.

In any case, the WFC and the old WTC mall co-existed and made immense profit before 9/11, so it seems unlikely that those three would have any glut problems.
Totally agree. Besides, all of Manhattan is like a walking Mall. Seems like there is plenty of room for everyone and more and they all seem to be doing a-ok.

We have the Time Warner Center, Columbus Ave strip, Madison Avenue strip, 5th Avenue Strip, 34th Street Strip, SoHo and Soon the Hudson Yards in Midtown and uptown.

Finally we will have WFC and WTC malls to satisfy the people that can't make the trip to uptown to do their luxurious shopping.
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Old October 21st, 2013, 08:22 PM   #3028
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Jay also says Related is looking for an artist to build a monumental piece of art for the public square at Hudson Yards (think Chicago's Bean) and likely will announce one in six months.
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Jay's ambitious timing:

If the 7 line and south tower (the one with Coach, L'Oreal, and SAP, plus 250k SF available) deliver in 2015.

1 Hudson Blvd would arrive in 2017 and then the north tower in '18.

2 Hudson Blvd, with trading-floor size floorplates

Seven levels of retail (compared to four at Related's successful Time Warner Center), will arrive by the middle of 2019.

Also on the way is a tower with 200k SF for a luxury hotel and 750k SF of residential (288 condos and 76 rentals).
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Old October 21st, 2013, 10:09 PM   #3029
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Bring 'em on. It is going to be a construction madness coming years.
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Hudson Yards is the only project in America which would be considered BIG even in China.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 01:42 AM   #3031
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Old October 24th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #3032
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HY is probably bigger, especially when surrounding projects are counted as well?
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Old October 24th, 2013, 03:09 PM   #3033
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HY may be bigger, in the sense that it has more office space, more buildings and more investment.

But WTC is 'bigger' in the sense that it is considered more important and notable.

China's large scale construction projects, to which the HY were being compared, all have an element of prestige to them. They are not only big, but they are also big. If you get my meaning.

So while the HY are a larger project than WTC in pure square footage, when you look at the international level in comparison with China, WTC is bigger.
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I don't think that is true in the long run. When the new Penn station comes along and they raze msg things will get very interesting.
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Three New Standard Features In A Skyscraper
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Michael says every new skyscraper has one of these. Here's the 80-foot-cantilever deck on Hudson Yards' north tower (construction on that building will start in January).

It'll be the highest outdoor observation deck in NYC. What else makes this one unique? There's also a Sky Lobby up there with a bar and lounge, so people don't just buy a snow globe and leave but rather stay awhile. He jokes that Related has indeed pro-forma-ed the price of a martini at 1,200 feet.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 07:45 PM   #3036
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Biznow's reportage "Hudson Yards' north tower (construction on that building will start in January)." is REALLY a stretch. The platform foundations south of the current tracks could start in January, as has been reported.

But the North Tower "building construction" (foundation work) would have to be proceeded by utility relocation around the LIRR substation/control tower & I don't see that happening until 2H2014, at earliest.

AND Related has to provide a relocated control tower someplace before they can remove the second story of the existing control tower. W/O a working control tower, no West Side Yard mid-day storage yard, which would mean LOTS of really angry LIRR commuters.
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Old October 29th, 2013, 07:16 AM   #3037
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Aiming for an Artistic 'Icon'
Developer Stephen Ross Selects Designer Thomas Heatherwick for Public Art Piece

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Developer Stephen Ross has selected the British artist and designer Thomas Heatherwick to create what could be one of the most expensive works of public art in the world, in the hopes of establishing a must-see attraction at the heart of his $15 billion Hudson Yards development on Manhattan's West Side.

Mr. Heatherwick, known for visually spectacular creations such as the Olympic cauldron at the 2012 London Games, will work with landscape architect Thomas Woltz to design a 4-acre public space with, at its center, a large-scale artwork that the developer's website describes as "a new icon for the city."

It isn't clear what the artwork will look like, though a person familiar with the matter said it would have a "gathering" theme. But it will be expensive: Mr. Ross, chairman of builder Related Cos., has told friends and associates the company intends to spend as much as $75 million on the centerpiece and surrounding public space.

It will be the focal point of the public plaza for Related's Hudson Yards project, a planned cluster of office skyscrapers and high-rise apartments meant to remake Manhattan's West Side. Related intends to move ahead with the infrastructure under the plaza and other planned buildings early next year.

People familiar with the project said the design for the public space would draw inspiration from great urban plazas such as New York's Rockefeller Center or Rome's Piazza del Campidoglio, designed by Michelangelo.

"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to integrate a new kind of public space into the fabric of the city and to add another layer to New York's rich cultural heritage," Mr. Heatherwick said in a statement confirming his involvement.


His creation, combined with the adjacent Culture Shed, a planned exhibition space, could serve as a northern anchor for a new cultural corridor emerging along the West Side. Pedestrians would eventually be able to walk along the elevated High Line park from Hudson Yards through Chelsea's gallery district to the new Whitney Museum in the Meatpacking District, opening in 2015.

No public-art programs are currently planned around the Heatherwick piece, but Culture Shed events next door—such as sculpture exhibitions or concerts—might sometimes spill over into the space, according to a person familiar with the plans. Mr. Ross serves on Culture Shed's board of trustees.

Kate Levin, the city's cultural affairs commissioner and a Culture Shed board member, didn't respond to requests for comment.

Mr. Ross was intensely involved in the selection of an artist to develop a vision for the public space at the core of the development. He personally solicited ideas from such high-profile artists as Jeff Koons, Anish Kapoor, Maya Lin and Richard Serra, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Mr. Koons and Ms. Lin didn't respond to requests for comment. Mr. Kapoor couldn't be reached. Mr. Serra said that at his meeting with Mr. Ross, he told the developer he wasn't "up for" submitting a plan at the same time others were vying for the work, explaining that his process is to see a site and work with engineers as he develops an idea.

According to Mr. Serra, Mr. Ross said, "Will you at least make me a sketch?" Mr. Serra said he declined, saying that wasn't how he worked, and Mr. Ross, disappointed, got up and left the room, ending the meeting.

Chicago's Millennium Park, one of the few other such large-scale public-art projects in the U.S., could offer a guide.

The 25-acre park built at the edge of downtown Chicago a decade ago invested heavily in public art, spending $17 million on Jaume Plensa's "Crown Fountain," marked by giant LED screens that display faces of Chicagoans, and $23 million on "Cloud Gate," a bean-shaped sculpture by Mr. Kapoor around which crowds gather to see their reflections.

"When you look at what it's done for Chicago, it was a small price to pay," said Edward Uhlir, the executive director of the Millennium Park foundation.

Mr. Uhlir said the park sought artwork that was interactive—such as "Cloud Gate"—because "people come back time after time to experience it again and again."

London, meanwhile, added a new landmark to its skyline for the 2012 Olympics with a 376-foot-high, roller-coaster-like tower created by Mr. Kapoor and designer Cecil Balmond, at a cost of $36.6 million.

Mr. Heatherwick is an artist, designer and architect. His projects include a pedestrian bridge that curls up when not in use, London's new double-decker bus and a pavilion at the 2010 Shanghai World Expo that resembled a sea urchin, covered in spiky acrylic rods.

His work upends expectations and ranges from utilitarian to fantastical, said Paola Antonelli, senior curator of architecture and design at the Museum of Modern Art.

"It's about magic," she said. "He's so good at spectacle. That's his ideal dimension."

Nicholas Baume, director and chief curator of Public Art Fund, a nonprofit that presents public art in New York, said he was pleased to hear that Mr. Heatherwick's art installation would be integrated with the design of the plaza—a good approach, he said, to thinking about important civic spaces.

"I think all the great public spaces in New York City have come along with a big price tag. You know, building Central Park, Rockefeller Center," he said, "you can't do it out of cotton candy."
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This guy is highly acclaimed, but his work looks rather odd. I hope that it does not disappoint.

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agreed. looking at his work not sure what to expect for this plaza.
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All his sculptures look like oversized clumps of lint. That doesn't scream 'Eiffel Tower to me'



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