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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:29 AM   #3061
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As for this sculpture by Heatherwick being "New York's Eiffel Tower", well, the Eiffel Tower is kind of a big deal in Paris:

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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:42 AM   #3062
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As for this sculpture by Heatherwick being "New York's Eiffel Tower", well, the Eiffel Tower is kind of a big deal in Paris:

It will be nowhere near as tall or impressive as the Eifell Tower. Surely this is just hyperbole on the part of a developer with a big ego. The ESB is the Eiffel Tower of NYC.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 07:25 AM   #3063
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I can't find any articles that say the Eiffel tower cost more than 75 million in today's money. There's no room for that but the money should be enough for something spectacular.

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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:45 AM   #3064
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I can't find any articles that say the Eiffel tower cost more than 75 million in today's money. There's no room for that but the money should be enough for something spectacular.
The eiffel tower cost 8,000,000 french francs to build in 1889. Assuming 2.5% inflation that would be around 300 to 400 million $ in 2013, if my math is right. Does that seem reasonable?
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:50 AM   #3065
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This is one of his few traditional sculptures I could find. I am confident he will produce something great here.

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I don't like it :/
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Old October 31st, 2013, 02:51 PM   #3066
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I love it. Nonetheless, I envision something more spectacular given, among other things, Ross' enormous enormous budget.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 02:59 PM   #3067
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I think it's nice too, but it's not a piece that would gather people IMO like the Chicago Bean or the Trevi Fountain. I'm expecting bigger and epic than those 2 with a $75m price tag. This will be this artist most important artwork of his career. Hope he comes up big.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:34 PM   #3068
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I agree. $75m will yield something quite impressive.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:31 PM   #3069
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The eiffel tower cost 8,000,000 french francs to build in 1889. Assuming 2.5% inflation that would be around 300 to 400 million $ in 2013, if my math is right. Does that seem reasonable?
Inflation varies. Like I said all the estimates I've seen are in the 50 and 60s million.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:42 PM   #3070
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It's not just inflation. More regulations, increasing building costs, etc. I'm sure it would be well over 75M.

Anyway, for that amount they can make some impressive sculptures.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:44 PM   #3071
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What The Eiffel Tower Cost To Build (2007)
http://historical.whatitcosts.com/fa...ffel-tower.htm

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(US$1.5 Million in 1890 dollars & US $34 Million in 2007 dollars)
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Classic Projects: Eiffel Tower (2011 article)
http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/201...c-projects.cfm

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At the time the total build and materials cost of the Eiffel Tower was 8 million francs or $1.5m (around $36m in today's money), but this is not a true reflection of what it would cost to build today, as the labour costs alone (assuming it could be built in two years) would swallow $30m.
Hudson Yards Art Sculpture $75 Million. I would say comparable.

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Old November 1st, 2013, 11:48 AM   #3072
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I can't fathom the Eiffel Tower being so cheap today. If it was that cheap every town would be building a similar attraction.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 07:07 PM   #3073
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According to Wikipedia:

The American TV show Pricing the Priceless speculates that in 2011 the tower would cost about $480,000,000 to build, that the land under the tower is worth $350,000,000, and that the scrap value of the tower is worth $3,500,000.

Let's not set ourselves up for disappointment here.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 07:10 PM   #3074
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I hope everyone realizes that they're going to be massively disappointed when the renders come out. It doesn't matter how much money they spend on it. The Eiffel Tower is the icon that it is because of its age. There were many who didn't like it when it was first built. This new structure could be an icon someday but it won't be when its first completed.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 12:07 AM   #3075
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I hope everyone realizes that they're going to be massively disappointed when the renders come out. It doesn't matter how much money they spend on it. The Eiffel Tower is the icon that it is because of its age. There were many who didn't like it when it was first built. This new structure could be an icon someday but it won't be when its first completed.
Well let's hope that's not the case here.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 10:35 AM   #3076
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I hope everyone realizes that they're going to be massively disappointed when the renders come out. It doesn't matter how much money they spend on it. The Eiffel Tower is the icon that it is because of its age. There were many who didn't like it when it was first built. This new structure could be an icon someday but it won't be when its first completed.
Well, there are certainly sculptures/cheap buildings that are very recent that have become instant attractions, no?

Cloud Gate in Chicago comes to mind, the Dancing House in Prague, Parasol in Seville, Puppy in Bilbao, Jeff Koons' Tulips Sculpture in Las Vegas. I agree that it's not likely but it's not impossible. I mean, the Gateway Arch cost $97 million in today's money and is a worldwide landmark that's less than 50 years old.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 01:20 PM   #3077
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I think we'll get something nice, but it will not compare to the Eiffel Tower or the Trevi Fountain, for that matter. I don't think that Ross was being serious when he said that.
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I think something more modern is needed here.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 08:33 PM   #3079
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Well, there are certainly sculptures/cheap buildings that are very recent that have become instant attractions, no?

Cloud Gate in Chicago comes to mind, the Dancing House in Prague, Parasol in Seville, Puppy in Bilbao, Jeff Koons' Tulips Sculpture in Las Vegas. I agree that it's not likely but it's not impossible. I mean, the Gateway Arch cost $97 million in today's money and is a worldwide landmark that's less than 50 years old.
True enough. But those "instant hits" don't have the same kind of legendary status as the Eiffel Tower. Only simple, yet iconic designs that have been around for a long time can get to that level. It takes awhile for something new to be fully appreciated.
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 08:45 PM   #3080
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I think we'll get something nice, but it will not compare to the Eiffel Tower or the Trevi Fountain, for that matter. I don't think that Ross was being serious when he said that.
No I don't think that either. It isn't supposed to be a city landmark. Only for this plaza. To the degree of the sculptures at Rockefeller Plaza.
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