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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:38 AM   #3321
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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:47 AM   #3322
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This development really has become a disappointment the past couple of days. The signature tower was shortened and fattened, Equinox lost its setback appeal, and 1 and 2 Hudson (especially 1 Hudson) are monstrous banal boxes. This went from possibly the best development plan in the world to almost mediocre. It seems like with many current developments in New York the developers are only interested in the short term gain. Economic factors are the most important aspect of a development, but it would be nice if developers could forego a little bit of profit in order to make the city more pleasing to the eye.
It would be nice, but I guess the competition is so high between rival development companies that the last dollar needs to be squeezed. How would one company who is giving something extra to the city in terms of aesthetics be able to complete with the others who go for maximum profit?

It's not just developers, what about regulators and planners? If they want more beautiful structures built, it should be encouraged with policy and not left to the whims of the market. Maybe NYC needs a design review for most large developments like London.

I happen to like the new E tower, but the North tower being reduced is a major bummer. I think that those boxes look like something Tokyo would build today. Big, efficient, safe, profitable.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:53 AM   #3323
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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:54 AM   #3324
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The 80 foot reduction is not noticeable. This project is amazing and could only be built in an international capitals like NY. The same is true with Verre, Steinway, etc.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:58 AM   #3325
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While I am frustrated that literally every supertall seems to get shortened in NYC the complex almost looks better, especially with the new Equinox tower.

Not bad...
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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:00 AM   #3326
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While I am frustrated that literally every supertall seems to get shortened in NYC the complex almost looks better, especially with the new Equinox tower.

Not bad...
I think some developers get too big for their britches before reality, i.e tenants, finance, government, hits them in the face. Or maybe they think they are living on planet vega 1z, aka shanghai, lol. Perhaps they need to come back down to earth a little and stop being such teases.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:06 AM   #3327
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The 80 foot reduction is not noticeable. This project is amazing and could only be built in an international capitals like NY. The same is true with Verre, Steinway, etc.
80 Ft is noticeable actually, takes it from being 80 ft taller then the ESB to a pitiful 5.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:19 AM   #3328
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I was talking about your stupid comparison to the ESB. Who cares if its only 5 feet taller? The ESB isn't some benchmark to beat. The only thing to complain about is that the height reduction has caused an aesthetic imbalance in the symmetry of the HY complex now. We as mature architecture lovers should care about such considerations first, not whether the building is tall or short in isolation.
Mmm... IS the ESB not the tallest building in Midtown? what else would i compare it height wise to? A pedestrian?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:23 AM   #3329
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Mmm... IS the ESB not the tallest building in Midtown? what else would i compare it height wise to? A pedestrian?
Why compare it to the ESB? The only thing that matters really is the design implications of the HY complex that have been compromised by the reduction in height of the central focal point tower. The ESB is quite a bit away and has no relevance. It seems you are mostly just interested in having the tallest tower possible and not these finer points of aesthetic balance.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:24 AM   #3330
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Why compare it to the ESB? The only thing that matters really is the design implications of the HY complex that have been compromised by the reduction in height of the central focal point tower. The ESB is quite a bit away and has no relevance. It seems you are mostly just interested in having the tallest tower possible and not these finer points of aesthetic balance.
Why wouldn't i compare it to the ESB if i am talking about height? THE DESIGN OF THE TOWER HAS NOT CHANGED! Was I talking about the complex as a whole? NO, so your argument about a focal point tower is irrelevant to me as i was not talking about the complex as a whole, but this tower individually. And i will stop replying, so to that i say **** off.
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Why wouldn't i compare it to the ESB if i am talking about height? THE DESIGN OF THE TOWER HAS NOT CHANGED! Was I talking about the complex as a whole? NO, so your argument about a focal point tower is irrelevant to me as i was not talking about the complex as a whole, but this tower individually. And i will stop replying, so to that i say **** off.
It seems to me that comparing it to the tallest tower and bemoaning the fact that this wont be taller just shows that you are interested in height first rather than the aesthetic ramifications on the immediate context (hy) due to this reduction. Absolute height alone is not the first thing you should be worried about. Relative height and the interaction with the surrounding context should always be the primary focus. The ESB is nothing to do with this tower and there is little visual interaction there so why bring it up? Just cause you want the tallest tower possible, come on, admit it, and I bet you wouldn't care if it looked like a jelly doughnut with a cherry on top if it were 600m tall.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 05:50 AM   #3332
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Just to put in perspective what a difference of 80ft in reduction in height really is...

200 Greenwich Street (2WTC)

The antenna is 80ft tall giving 2 WTC a total height 1,350ft. Without that tripod antenna the height is 1270ft.

80 ft difference







Please try to imagine no antenna in those pics above! In the grand scheme of things, is it such a noticeable difference to justify and trash the tower because of 80ft haircut??

Honestly it would be barely noticeable especially to the naked eye and the non skyscraper worshipers.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:00 AM   #3333
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Just to put in perspective what the difference of 80ft in reduction in height ...

Honestly it would be barely noticeable especially to the naked eye and the non skyscraper worshipers.
You and I appear to be the only people who actually saw the models today and can confirm that the tower looks the same. A bunch of queens from Sheboygen just want to whine about this. Perhaps they're not getting their hormone therapies.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:05 AM   #3334
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NY is really the king with many jewels constantly added to its crown. During a very weak recovery, following a very severe recession, we get the following supertalls:

1. North Tower;
2. Verre;
3. Steinway;
4. 432 Park;
5. One57;
6. 1 WTC;
7. E-tower.

Other US cities are struggling to build PATHETIC 50 story boxes, and even NY's peers (London, Paris, HK, and Tokyo are not building any supertalls).

When the economy (and Wall St) are booming in a few years, I can't even imagine what will be built:

You forgot to mention 3WTC and the Nordstrom Tower, and that's only the towers that started or are starting in the next year or so, great times for NYC!

By the way I agree with you guys when it comes to the height reduction, the only reason why it's noticeable is because 35HY got taller (and got a better design), I'm missing the part where that's a bad thing.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:08 AM   #3335
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You and I appear to be the only people who actually saw the models today and can confirm that the tower looks the same. A bunch of queens from Sheboygen just want to whine about this. Perhaps they're not getting their hormone therapies.
Plus we are gaining 2 supertalls in 35HY and 50HY all because of an inconsequential reduction. Not bad at all!
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Old December 6th, 2013, 06:42 AM   #3336
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Plus we are gaining 2 supertalls in 35HY and 50HY all because of an inconsequential reduction. Not bad at all!
All people like to complain about is this stupid 80 foot reduced height.

Instead they should be excited about this incredible complex that we will get to see develop over the next decade.
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20m is not that big of a deal tbh.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #3338
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NY is really the king with many jewels constantly added to its crown. During a very weak recovery, following a very severe recession, we get the following supertalls:

1. North Tower;
2. Verre;
3. Steinway;
4. 432 Park;
5. One57;
6. 1 WTC;
7. E-tower.

Other US cities are struggling to build PATHETIC 50 story boxes, and even NY's peers (London, Paris, HK, and Tokyo are not building any supertalls).

When the economy (and Wall St) are booming in a few years, I can't even imagine what will be built:
1,000+ Feet
1. 217 West 57th Street
2. 432 Park Avenue
3. One World Trade Center
4. 111 West 57th Street
5. Two World Trade Center
6. 30 Hudson Yards
7. Empire State Building
8. 50 Hudson Yards
9. Three World Trade Center
10. The GiraSole
11. Tower Verre
12. Chrysler Building
13. 80 South Street
14. One57
15. 35 Hudson Yards

Other Possible 1,000 Footers Without Exact Height
1. Sherwood Equities Tower
2. Manhattan West towers
3. Wanda tower
4. Michael Shvo tower
5. Realtor tower
6. 650 Madison Avenue
7. 36 Central Park


Others Pending Rezoning

1. One Vanderbilt
2. old MTA HQs
3. 425 Park Avenue

Wait until Wall Street roars back!

Wait until MSG is redeveloped as part of the new Moynihan Station!

Wait until Javits is redeveloped!

NEW YORK CITY- THE WORLD CAPITAL!
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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:56 PM   #3339
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The 80 foot reduction is not noticeable. This project is amazing and could only be built in an international capitals like NY. The same is true with Verre, Steinway, etc.
I am one of the dissapointed with the height reduction, as I expressed since some days ago when still it wasn't official.

And my complain has nothing to do with the height in absolute terms, but the relations with the other buildings of the complex. (for what I think, comparing it with other cities of the world has nothing to do with this either)

The height reduction is actually pretty noticeable, because it is not just the 80 feet this tower is decreasing, but the 50 ft the other tower is growing, so 30HY is losing its prominence within the complex (and not within other cities in the world or even within the whole NY, thing that I don't care about) from almost 400 ft or almost 120 meters to just 255 ft or 77 meters.

And I actually like more the new design of 35HY, just wish it would remain the same size (or even a bit shorter) and this one would keep its former height (or even a bit taller)
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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:43 PM   #3340
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The rendering is distorted. The model shows that the tower stands out considerably over everything else in Phase 1. In any event, Phase 2 (on the western section) will have 8 very tall buildings which will obscure a lot of Phase 1 anyway, when viewed from the Hudsom.
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