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Old December 9th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #3361
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Over the next decade or so we'll be seeing the remaking of the Manhattan skyline into something even more awesome. Asian cities may have the super height but the scope of the Manhattan development will be breathtaking. It's dizzying but exhilarating seeing all these sites popping up...imagine if we can get some kind of East Side business district going, too!
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Old December 9th, 2013, 10:19 AM   #3362
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Over the next decade or so we'll be seeing the remaking of the Manhattan skyline into something even more awesome. Asian cities may have the super height but the scope of the Manhattan development will be breathtaking. It's dizzying but exhilarating seeing all these sites popping up...imagine if we can get some kind of East Side business district going, too!
I want 25 supertalls by 2025! 50 supertalls by 2050, 75 supertalls by 2075....
I think a supertall per year is realistic (at least for this decade)
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Old December 9th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #3363
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Old December 9th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #3364
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You'll notice the mysterious gap between the overbuild platform and 33rd st does not exist in this picture... I'm still unconvinced that it isn't anything more than an error in the model.

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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:09 PM   #3365
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Where will be the location of Mr. Ross mega art sculpture??

33rd street and 10th Ave Entrance

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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #3366
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the sculpture should be where the placeholder has always been, no?

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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:02 AM   #3367
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True... the new landscaping in the new renderings threw me off.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #3368
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50 Hudson Blvd and Sherwood Equities and the possible trade with Related/Alloy and 360 Tenth is not on this map.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #3369
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i think this site need a signature tower which is between 1600ff and 2100 ft
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Old December 10th, 2013, 04:23 AM   #3370
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Fun fact: 1255ft/383m was the original proposed height for 3WTC, before it was shortened to 1240/378, and then the 1170/357 we have today.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:59 PM   #3371
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True... the new landscaping in the new renderings threw me off.
I agree. The landscaping here will look great. Very good design.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 03:24 PM   #3372
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Old December 10th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #3373
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Fun fact: 1255ft/383m was the original proposed height for 3WTC, before it was shortened to 1240/378, and then the 1170/357 we have today.
lol. I don't know why you think the 3WTC downgrade in height is a "fun fact".
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Old December 10th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #3374
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Oh ye of little faith!

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You'll notice the mysterious gap between the overbuild platform and 33rd st does not exist in this picture... I'm still unconvinced that it isn't anything more than an error in the model.
Yes, the render does not show the dark, mysterious gap that appears in the model. For recap, the current model's mysterious gap is right where the actual physical LIRR/ConEd? ramp down to the NE corner of the East Rail Yard is currently. AFAIK, the west sidewalk of 10th Ave will all be pedestrian, so a 33rd street vehicle ramp would be the only way to get to the LIRR facilities in the NE corner (under 30 Hudson Yards) WITHOUT crossing all those RR tracks in the yard proper....

Does anybody have any links/search terms to dig up NYC paperwork filed for the NE corner
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Old December 10th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #3375
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Old December 10th, 2013, 07:04 PM   #3376
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For recap, the current model's mysterious gap is right where the actual physical LIRR/ConEd? ramp down to the NE corner of the East Rail Yard is currently.
Well, that is a good point. But this is NYC, they don't need vehicle access!
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Old December 10th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #3377
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LIRR substation still needs heavy vehicle access

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Well, that is a good point. But this is NYC, they don't need vehicle access!
Mostly true, except when you have to haul heavy things back & forth. Heavy electrical things, such as maybe transformers, GIANT fuses, etc.

ILNY posted this photo 11/10 on SSP and it shows a big yellow truck parked in the fenced-off substation area, between the AC (ConEd street, just big time) and DC (LIRR traction power) portions. That's the kind of access I'm thinking of. The photo also shows the roadway ACROSS the tracks, but I'm pretty certain the LIRR would not want to use that as it's usual vehicle path.

Also shows spray paint marked rectangles between the tracks: maybe preliminary exploratory excavation work for the overbuild platform/structure caissons? The second photo is s closeup of what looks like timbering across various spray-paint delineated holes in concrete.

PS: You can also see how 33rd street sags down as you travel west from 10th Ave.

Photos from ILNY SSP post http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1576

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And here's a snip from a source-unknown render (part of the midyear AIA seminars?) of what somebody thought the overbuild would look like in '14 & '15. I'm pretty sure there will be no Culture tower rising in '14 but the overbuild platform depictions are food for thought:
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Old December 10th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #3378
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Work Starts on Second Hudson Yards Tower
http://newyork.construction.com/new_...-goes-here.asp

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A Year after ground was broken on the first tower at Hudson Yards, work on the second tower has begun and plans call for starting the tower's platform over a rail yard in January.

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By this time next year, the ENTIRE Eastern Rail Yards portion of the 26-acre redevelopment on Manhattan's West Side is slated to be under construction, including FOUR TOWERS, a retail podium and a public plaza.
"Hudson Yards is well on its way to redefining 21st-century development in New York City and forever altering the New York skyline," said L. Jay Cross, president of Related Hudson Yards,

in a Dec. 4 statement announcing the groundbreaking of the 80-story North office tower, renamed 30 Hudson Yards. Related Cos. and Oxford Properties Group are co-developers of the entire $15-billion redevelopment.

The Kohn Pedersen Fox-designed 30 Hudson Yards, located on the southwest corner of West 33rd St. and 10th Ave.,

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Like the 52-story South tower, or 10 Hudson Yards, already under way at the site, the latest tower will aim for Gold certification under the U.S. Green Building Council's LEED rating system. Work on 10 Hudson Yards is progressing and is set for completion in 2015, says a Related spokewoman.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #3379
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so work on 30 Hudson Yards has begun now?
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Old December 10th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #3380
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That's news to me! I just took a walk around the site today, and aside from the work on the tunnel box, nothing has changed. There is no additional equipment yet.

Does Related have the authority to regrade the street? As solgoldberg mentioned, there's a pretty appreciable dip in 33rd street between 10th and 11th ave. The new 7 train station on the north side of the street is at least 15 feet higher, and there's just a simple concrete retaining wall along the sidewalk. It's just very hard for me to imagine Hudson Boulevard sauntering downtown through all these blocks that are at such radically different elevations.
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