daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Development News Forums > Supertalls

Supertalls Discussions of projects under construction between 300-599m/1,000-1,999ft tall.
» Proposed Supertalls



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old January 27th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #3561
jeroentje22
1 WTC IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Breda
Posts: 42
Likes (Received): 20

Will the rails under these beautiful skyscrapers remain?
__________________
Never underestimate an average person's ability to be completely and hopelessly ignorant about construction and infrastructure projects.

Quote by ThatOneGuy
jeroentje22 no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old January 27th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #3562
Funkyskunk2
Registered User
 
Funkyskunk2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 619
Likes (Received): 808

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroentje22 View Post
Will the rails under these beautiful skyscrapers remain?
Yeah it's like when they built park ave.


Last edited by Funkyskunk2; January 27th, 2014 at 09:08 PM.
Funkyskunk2 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #3563
j-biz
rasorio caelum civitatem
 
j-biz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,309
Likes (Received): 2793

Tunnel box directly below the 11th ave viaduct. I see bedrock! Haven't heard any blasting yet, though.

image hosted on flickr


Those 5 dump trucks were all slowly backing down the ramp to 10th ave. Looks like they'll be doing some serious excavating.

image hosted on flickr
__________________
j-biz no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 27th, 2014, 11:16 PM   #3564
Vertical_Gotham
Registered User
 
Vertical_Gotham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,437
Likes (Received): 6488

No. 7 train extension delayed
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/01/...nsion-delayed/

Subway station serving Hudson Yards will come a little bit later

Quote:
An extension to the No. 7 train line across Manhattan will be delayed, pushing back the $2.4 billion project’s completion to late summer or early fall.

Installation problems with the extension’s high-rise and incline elevators are to blame, MTA officials told the New York Post, noting that tracks for the expanded line have already been laid. The new track, which will extend from Times Square to 34th Street and 11th Avenue at the doorstep of the Related Companies’ Hudson Yards project, originally had a slated completion of June 2014.

The MTA also recently announced delays with its East Side Access project, an effort to extend the Long Island Railroad into Grand Central Station. Originally slated to have trains rolling into the 42nd Street hub by 2009, the projected completion has now been pushed back to 2019. At an estimated $8.3 billion, the cost of the extension is nearly double the original projected price tag of $4.3 billion. Word of a new stop off the 7 train just west of 10th Avenue near West 34th Street prompted developers to buy up sites in the area at a frantic pace last year.
Vertical_Gotham no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 28th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #3565
solgoldberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Eastern end of eLIRR
Posts: 815
Likes (Received): 866

MTA as expected; how about T-P & Related?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vertical_Gotham View Post
No. 7 train extension delayed
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/01/...nsion-delayed/

Subway station serving Hudson Yards will come a little bit later
Thanks for posting the article. The delays had been hinted at.

My question is: will T-P building on active MTA property do better than the MTA/#7 subway contractors in getting the overbuild platform going?
Has anybody seen (photographed?) the special build caisson drill on railroad wheels that T-P needs to drill the foundations within/between-the-MTA tracks?? January ends in three days...

Tutor-Perini is the prime for Hudson Yards & is operating in both the tunnel box construction site & the immediately adjacent 10 Hudson Yards/Culture Shed/Plaza site.

Last edited by solgoldberg; January 29th, 2014 at 02:35 AM.
solgoldberg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 05:46 AM   #3566
mmkkk
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 35
Likes (Received): 31

solgoldberg-Do you know for a fact that they will use caisson drills on Hi-Rails? It would be easier to put the drills on flatcars. This was done to drill the pole foundations for the Amtrak electrification between Boston and New Haven.

Part of the delay on East Side Access is because Tutor Perini is 2 years behind on both of their contracts.
mmkkk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #3567
solgoldberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Eastern end of eLIRR
Posts: 815
Likes (Received): 866

Drill on RR flat car: good enough?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmkkk View Post
solgoldberg-Do you know for a fact that they will use caisson drills on Hi-Rails? It would be easier to put the drills on flatcars. This was done to drill the pole foundations for the Amtrak electrification between Boston and New Haven.

Part of the delay on East Side Access is because Tutor Perini is 2 years behind on both of their contracts.
Do you know for a fact that they will use caisson drills on Hi-Rails? - No, I do not. I'm very heavily paraphrasing a Related/Oxford suit from last year year who stated that they had some kind of specially-designed "gizmo" being built.

Rising Above the Rails at Hudson Yards
By DOUGLAS FEIDEN
July 7, 2013 9:36 p.m. ET
Related Cos. and Time Warner Inc. Poised for Deal
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...92141407884714

Quote:
Much of it would be built on two massive podiums above acres of tracks. "We're constructing a new city-within-a-city to hand over to our children," says Jim White, an engineer and 30-year construction veteran who is overseeing the building of the platform for Related
...
To pinpoint the exact location of railroad infrastructure and utilities, Related began drilling exploratory pits in the railbed in May. It starts relocating utilities later this month, a five-month task, then undertakes the delicate, 14-month installation of caissons in January, riding the rails with specially engineered equipment to drill through soil and rock.

"The technology is far superior to what was used at Grand Central," says Mr. White.
I had not thought of putting drills on flat cars: I'm not a Civil Eng and do not work in the construction or RR fields.

Do you think could just drive the already-present Bauer drills onto a flatcar and that would be-good-enough to drill tower foundations?

PS: I did not know T-P was two years behind on their ESA contracts. I do know they are working along the ML in Sunnyside. Do you know which contracts?

Last edited by solgoldberg; January 30th, 2014 at 03:42 PM.
solgoldberg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #3568
hunser
Steinway to Heaven |¦┆┊
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Wien
Posts: 1,837
Likes (Received): 5031

I don't like the height reduction at all, especially in this case. Instead of a signature tower we'll have another plateau of supertalls (I'm spoiled, I know). Hopefully the Hudson Spire can do a better job.
hunser no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #3569
tim1807
faster than buildings
 
tim1807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Den Helder
Posts: 10,325
Likes (Received): 5334

At least it's a plateau at about the 300m mark.
tim1807 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #3570
Funkyskunk2
Registered User
 
Funkyskunk2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 619
Likes (Received): 808

Hudson Spire, 50 hy, and that trapezoid(450 west 33rd) should all be able to give us a defining tower. We just need someone who wants more than profit.

Worse comes to worse in 2025 they'll build something over by msg. The 15 penn replacement will help that tower(s) look like a part of the HY skyline.
Funkyskunk2 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #3571
vitamin R
Registered User
 
vitamin R's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 1,016
Likes (Received): 378

Is this the tower that detractors claimed would draw attention away from the Empire State Bldg? If so, its ridiculous. New York is the epitome of a city in that they are places of continuous change and renewal. Although the Empire State Bldg is an iconic and historic tower its place in the New York skyline should not be ensconced for the sake of nostalgia.
__________________

sweet-d liked this post
vitamin R no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #3572
Vertical_Gotham
Registered User
 
Vertical_Gotham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,437
Likes (Received): 6488

Quote:
Originally Posted by vitamin R View Post
Is this the tower that detractors claimed would draw attention away from the Empire State Bldg? If so, its ridiculous. New York is the epitome of a city in that they are places of continuous change and renewal. Although the Empire State Bldg is an iconic and historic tower its place in the New York skyline should not be ensconced for the sake of nostalgia.
The development at issue was 15 Penn Plaza because of its close proximity to the ESB. 15 Penn was approved but ultimately canceled by the developers.
__________________

Eric Offereins liked this post
Vertical_Gotham no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #3573
MarshallKnight
Registered User
 
MarshallKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: From the Bay to L.A.
Posts: 2,344
Likes (Received): 3593

The big outcry was over 15 Penn, but it seems like whenever a big tower is proposed for lower Midtown, someone gets freaked out that ESB will lose its prominence. Amanda Burden even used it as justification for disallowing the 1250ft version of Tower Verre, and that's nowhere near the ESB. I agree, it's pretty silly. It's not like ESB is going anywhere.

(You'll hear similar commentary about Chrysler, as has been the case with 1 Vanderbilt)

Last edited by MarshallKnight; January 30th, 2014 at 08:51 PM.
MarshallKnight está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #3574
Eric Offereins
The only way is up
 
Eric Offereins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 68,706
Likes (Received): 28342

This one is much further away from ESB. I don't see the problem.
Eric Offereins no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #3575
MarshallKnight
Registered User
 
MarshallKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: From the Bay to L.A.
Posts: 2,344
Likes (Received): 3593

It's not really -- it's on the same parallel as ESB and only a handful of blocks to the West. If you're used to viewing ESB from the Jersey side of the Hudson, this will almost definitely get in the way. But to that I say, find a new viewing angle that fits even more great buildings in.
MarshallKnight está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 30th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #3576
vitamin R
Registered User
 
vitamin R's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 1,016
Likes (Received): 378

Thanks for the clarification on that. Although, the ESB is a great, iconic building and symbol of NYC it is also a statement of its time. IMO, New York is the canvas, the Tabula Rasa so to speak, of our country. Her individual buildings and their architecture reflect our past, our present, and most importantly, our future. I suppose my point is that I hope NYC doesn't cut itself short (no pun intended) over a misplaced sense of sentimentality for one building's place in the skyline. The new towers going up reflect a vibrant, growing and forward-looking city and give the promise of future possibility. Restricting heights around ESB reflects the opposite and gives the message that the city's and our collective greatness lies in our past. Its time that the ESB had some company that is as tall, and yes, taller. Because in the end, the ESB is only part of what makes NYC a great city, and tells only a part of our story.
__________________
vitamin R no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 31st, 2014, 12:01 AM   #3577
MarshallKnight
Registered User
 
MarshallKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: From the Bay to L.A.
Posts: 2,344
Likes (Received): 3593

+1 I'm with you 100%
MarshallKnight está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old January 31st, 2014, 01:52 PM   #3578
Eric Offereins
The only way is up
 
Eric Offereins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Rotterdam
Posts: 68,706
Likes (Received): 28342

couldn't agree more.
Eric Offereins no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old January 31st, 2014, 07:50 PM   #3579
Blue Flame
Get Silly!
 
Blue Flame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lexington,KY
Posts: 2,369
Likes (Received): 575

100% agree. That is absolutely true. And it doesn't just apply to New York. All of the the USA fits that description.
__________________
A cynic is nothing but a realist with experience.
Blue Flame no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 3rd, 2014, 10:47 PM   #3580
Vertical_Gotham
Registered User
 
Vertical_Gotham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,437
Likes (Received): 6488

Possibly more supertalls in the future within and around the Hudson Yards??

Hudson River Park eyes selling $500M worth of air rights
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/02/...of-air-rights/

Trust officials believe those sales could help generate nearly half a billion dollars for key infrastructure projects in the city.

Quote:
The Hudson River Park Trust believes that underutilized parcels along 12th Avenue would be ripe for development were air rights to be sold, given their proximity to Hudson Yards and the High Line.
Quote:
Many of these parcels are government-owned, including a U.S. Postal Service facility on West 24th Street.
Quote:
The trust is looking to sell up to 1.6 million square feet of its 3.5 million square feet of undeveloped air rights
__________________

msquaredb liked this post
Vertical_Gotham no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
30 hudson yards, hudson yards, manhattan tower, north tower, supertall, west 33rd street

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu