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Old February 23rd, 2014, 08:20 PM   #3621
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I think the railyards dictate the layout of the site....unless they volunteer to take out a few tracks.
Ah right, that was a dumb oversight on my part. I realize the location of the tower cores will be dictated by the tracks, but couldn't they build low-rise (like 2-story) filler between the towers, supported by the platform over the tracks?
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 08:33 PM   #3622
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While it is certainly cheaper to build on the solid ground to the south I thought there was space left between the tracks so columns to support towers could be placed anywhere.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 04:35 AM   #3623
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Old February 24th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #3624
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I have to say, I'm not that thrilled by the spacing of those (granted, still very hypothetical) towers. Feels like a lot of the Chinese developments with towers spaced apart by wide plazas. Pretty, but not particularly walkable.

The 31st Street side looks like it'll have a decent street wall, but unless you're going to that school or stepping up onto the High Line, it seems like there'll be very little reason to walk along the 30th Street side. Here's hoping they wind up putting some kind of retail or other public program in the base of the middle-and-park-facing-sides of these towers, so that people walking through will have something to do.
Well, since most of those towers will be residential, they don't have to be particularly walkable.

Actually the opposite. I lived in a building placed on a "very walkable" street and shops on the first floor, I prefer much more one with gardens as I live now, and I'm sure most potential residents of those towers would prefer that and not a busy (noisy) retail zone.

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Old February 24th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #3625
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Old February 24th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #3626
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How would you know that? This is one of those cases where it's best to speak for yourself and not for others. This could-be residents and passers-by are living in a city after all...
I know that, because I worked in a real estate agency... most people prefer a quiet area to live (if possible, even in big cities).

and also... as you can see... the developers know that too... that's why they didn't plan a particularly walkable area, but more of a "green" area.

so yeah... it is one of those cases where it's best to speak for yourself, if you prefer a noisy and busy area, and not a quiet and "green" one.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 09:41 PM   #3627
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I know that, because I worked in a real estate agency... most people prefer a quiet area to live (if possible, even in big cities).
And therefore you know everything? This is Manhattan. I'd imagine that people in search of suburban quietude probably aren't starting their search here. Don't make generalizations, unless you like looking ignorant.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #3628
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And therefore you know everything? This is Manhattan. I'd imagine that people in search of suburban quietude probably aren't starting their search here. Don't make generalizations, unless you like looking ignorant.
And yet, developers decided to build that area with green spaces.

So they are ignorant too?
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Old February 24th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #3629
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Some areas with a high residential component are designed to be more active than others. Towers D and E in Hudson Yards East (Corset and Equinox) will be in an area with more tourists and more activity than the residential buildings across 11th Avenue in Hudson Yards West. It's nice for people considering a life in Hudson Yards to have a choice in this regard.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 11:46 PM   #3630
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why are people upset? this doesn't make sense
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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:03 PM   #3631
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Not sure if this is a new or old model posted to the HY Facebook page today. I think it's new as it appears to have the redesigned 30HY base:



That reminds me, did anybody get a good shot of those tunnels at the bottom of the big model at the TWC display? If so, please PM me. I'm dying to know what those labels say. Alternatively, if anybody just knows regardless, do tell. I'm guessing they represent Amtrak, NJ transit, etc, but not sure what else.

The HY Facebook page also linked to a great article in the Times about Richard Tenguerian, the master model builder who made the models above, along with hundreds others: A Translator of Blueprints. What an awesome job that would be.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #3632
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good to see the massing for 50 Hudson Yards. Looks just to be shy of the observation deck of 30 Hudson at 1080'
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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #3633
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Not sure if this is a new or old model posted to the HY Facebook page today. I think it's new as it appears to have the redesigned 30HY base:



That reminds me, did anybody get a good shot of those tunnels at the bottom of the big model at the TWC display? If so, please PM me. I'm dying to know what those labels say. Alternatively, if anybody just knows regardless, do tell. I'm guessing they represent Amtrak, NJ transit, etc, but not sure what else.

The HY Facebook page also linked to a great article in the Times about Richard Tenguerian, the master model builder who made the models above, along with hundreds others: A Translator of Blueprints. What an awesome job that would be.
The left most tunnel is Amtrak's Empire Connection, the next two to the right (north) & lower down are the historic PRR/Amtrak Hudson(North) River tunnels & the right(north) most is the overbuilt throat to the LIRR's West Side Yard.

The Empire connection & WSY "tunnels" were built in the 1980s to provide access (other than popping up across the Hudson in NJ) to the west end of the Penn Station pit.

The concrete casing (tunnel box) for the Empire Connection tunnel forms the north wall of the east end of the CURRENT Amtrak Gateway tunnel box excavation pit in the West Side Yard. I assume they just removed the ~quarter century old backfill in that area of the current Gateway tunnel box excavation, ie, they did not have to drill in that specific area to create a secant pile SOE wall.

PS: Since December's TWC display was invoked & I looked through my photos, I'm reposting a snip of the BUILD timeline from the 10 Hudson Yards countdown clock display. Note that it shows the eastern side of the overbuild platform BUILT in 2014 & extending north from 10 HY to the LIRR's electrical substation/control tower (overbuild site of 30 HY):

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I would be really surprised if the Hudson Yards site has the stump/core of the Culture Tower this year:
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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #3634
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50 HY is way too small there, weird. Look at 35 hy, either the modeler did it wrong or the design will emphasize the flat walls with creases going up, that's new to me.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #3635
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The left most tunnel is Amtrak's Empire Connection, the next two to the right (north) & lower down are the historic PRR/Amtrak Hudson(North) River tunnels & the right(north) most is the overbuilt throat to the LIRR's West Side Yard.
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How to build a Brand-New Neighborhood in NYC

Building an iconic tower in New York City comes with many challenges -- now multiply that by 15. Jay Cross is leading the financing, planning and construction efforts of the nearly 30-acre Hudson Yards development raising Manhattan's West Side to new heights. When completed, the Hudson Yards will have added fifteen new buildings to Manhattan's already impressive skyline. Cross talks about some of the challenges he and his team have faced while planning a project of this scale and how he hopes it will impact the city.

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Old March 4th, 2014, 02:10 AM   #3637
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Although these are not final designs for Phase 2 (in fact, the Phase 1 towers differ from what's rising), the tower in the middle looks like a mini "Stairway to Heaven" (ie, 111 W 57th).
I personally like that phase 2 design and hope more or less that's what will be planned. Since there are rumors that stern will have a couple projects in phase 2, maybe those twin apartment buildings w school in the middle will be it.

I know heights will definitely change but those towers looks like a good 70 floors.

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Old March 4th, 2014, 02:28 AM   #3638
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the "West Tower", the only office tower in phase 2 has a massive base. Hopefully they'll do something iconic but I fear it will be your run-of-the-mill midtown box.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:31 AM   #3639
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My god, that render was horrible. Thank heavens we didn't end up with that mediocre pile of nonsense. This is not the 90's.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:22 AM   #3640
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I hope to one day speak of Manhattan West in a similar manner.
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