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Old March 21st, 2014, 02:53 PM   #3741
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Not a bad idea. Some people may consider it too flashy, but they wouldn't have to have it running non-stop.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 06:15 PM   #3742
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Developer Jay Cross on What Makes a Great Public Space
http://www.businessweek.com/articles...t-public-space



Jay Cross is overseeing the Related Companies’ Hudson Yards—70 million square feet of commercial and residential space in Manhattan—the biggest U.S. real estate development on record. As president of the New York Jets, he helped build MetLife Stadium

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What makes a great public space?
One of the things we’re realizing is we haven’t built great public spaces for a very long time. So we’re trying to learn from those classically inspired spaces. People want to congregate. They want to feel comfortable. There needs to be a certain degree of intimacy. Yet there needs to be an ability for thousands of people to gather. I think of Trafalgar Square or Piazza San Marco or Place des Vosges.

What’s changed between then and now?
This is a topic that’s perplexed me. It has a lot to do with size. When I was with the Jets, we conceived of a stadium that would have housed the NFL Jets but could transform itself into an arena for the NBA Knicks or the NHL Rangers. We invited in Olaf Sööt, one of these very eccentric engineers. We went through the whole process, and then we said, “Well, wait a minute, the sightlines won’t work.” And he sat back in his chair and said, “Oh, yes. Everything works until you draw it to scale.” It’s this tension that you get when a creative idea meets math. Our reaction to making things bigger was to take something we liked and just blow it up.

How are you tackling that at Hudson Yards?
We decided to try and think of it in terms of precincts, so that the open space to the north will be a lush garden, heavily landscaped. Then we have a plaza in the middle and a grove by the residential buildings. We’re also doing a monumental piece of art in the middle of it—the hub of the wheel.

These buildings are tall—one is 80 stories.
As these buildings get bigger, we’re going back to our sort of anti-postmodern theory. We want to make them abstract. But as you bring them to the ground, then you run the risk of having a very sterile environment. So the key, we think, is to take the bottom 10 to 20 floors of each building and reduce it to a comfortable scale.

Does that make the buildings seem smaller?
We’ve come to realize that monumentality in and of itself is not a bad thing. Some of the most familiar buildings, like Grand Central—the big columns and the big arches—are fine as long as you’re using comfortable materials. At the ground level we’re taking away some of the glass and bringing stone into play.

That’ll work with your 14 acres of open space?
When we get frustrated, we turn to that one designer who, no matter what the scale is, always get the details right. That’s good old Mother Nature.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 06:53 PM   #3743
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I'm still very doubtful there will ever be people here in large numbers. The most popular public spaces in the city are all major transportation hubs. Hudson Yards will never be that. You can't rely on the High Line alone to fill 14 acres.

Will the new mall attract people? We have TWC as a model, but that's on 5 lines AND Central Park. 4M annual visitors to HL vs 35M to Central Park.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 06:56 PM   #3744
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I don't know, with all these towers there are going to be a lot of people working and living there, at the very least some of these people may hang out at the new public space.
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Old March 21st, 2014, 08:13 PM   #3745
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If they want to be like Trafalgar Square, they're going to need more than monuments and a lot of seating. They need events. Fourth Plinth-type events.

If they're smart, the grand sculpture they have planned for the plaza will be an amphitheatre.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 12:37 AM   #3746
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Hudson Yards press kit:









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Old March 22nd, 2014, 12:43 AM   #3747
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That west tower is news to me. Is there a thread for it?
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 12:55 AM   #3748
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I believe not, because there are no cetainties for these sites yet.
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 02:06 AM   #3749
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I don't like the placement of the two resi towers in the western yards. They should be moved to the edges to create uninterrupted public space
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Old March 22nd, 2014, 06:35 PM   #3750
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I don't like the placement of the two resi towers in the western yards. They should be moved to the edges to create uninterrupted public space
Yeah, I think you are right. It would be better it they get rid of those two buildings.

Also, I still don't get over the height reduction of this building and the inrease of the residential ones, that makes that this one stands out much less, but whatever, it's done and I don't think there will be a height increase again.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 03:47 PM   #3751
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I don't like the placement of the two resi towers in the western yards. They should be moved to the edges to create uninterrupted public space
Would probably be better, but there is already a lot of public space.
I think the locations may also have been chosen for optimal views from the apartments.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 02:51 AM   #3752
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Old March 27th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #3753
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Still digging. Not much visible work on any new caissons.



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Old March 27th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #3754
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Still digging. Not much visible work on any new caissons.


Thanks for the photos & taking the walk!
I'm hoping spring is finally here.

Regarding the amount of caissons, I noticed that the count increased to over 300 again when Related did the platform "groundbreaking" PR info release last week.
It looks to me that the vertical drill portion of the nearest Bauer drill (photo top, right) looks different, but I don't know how the steel casing (the big "pipes") for the caisson gets used.

Maybe somebody could try to educate us.

NOTE: mrnyc over @ SSP posted his excavation photos yesterday. At least one is from 3/25 and shows workers standing around what I'm calling the "casing", in the ground:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=541

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Old March 27th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #3755
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I wonder if they use blasts there.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #3756
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These machines can do the job by themselves. I haven't seen anything about blasting on the forum.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #3757
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2012 study does reference blasting & they have permit?

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These machines can do the job by themselves. I haven't seen anything about blasting on the forum.
I assume j-biz (and others) would report on blasting. AFAIK yoday's j-biz photos do not show any rock drills in the trench now. They WERE previously in the trench for drilling the tiebacks that hold the SOE secant pile wall upright.

The 2012 study DOES make reference to blasting along with rock splitting for sensitive areas. The historic Penn RR Hudson River tunnels run under the yard along the imaginary 32nd st alignment. The j-biz photo I re-posted shows that the western end (11th Ave) of the rock-hammered trench is at aproximatelly the 31st street alignment.

"The numbered streets running east-west are 60 feet (18 m) wide, with about 200 feet (61 m) between each pair of streets" -wikipedia, 1811 street grid plan

So, I'm guestimating the Penn RR tunnels are about 200 feet north of the current excavation at the 11th Ave end. The NEW #7 subway tunnels under 11th are DEEP tunnels, so I assume they are not a concern regarding blasting in the trench.

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Old March 28th, 2014, 01:35 AM   #3758
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This article on blasting at Hudson Yards was posted a few months ago. Sounds like the blasting might be farther below ground, though:

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/01/...far-west-side/
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Old March 28th, 2014, 01:57 AM   #3759
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Neiman Marcus eyes groundbreaking move into NYC

http://nypost.com/2014/03/27/neiman-...move-into-nyc/
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Neiman Marcus is poised to enter New York, at last — in a spot that will have a view of New Jersey.
The Dallas-based upscale department store is nearing a deal to open a flagship store at Hudson Yards, the mega-development under construction on Manhattan’s West Side, The Post has learned.

Neiman is negotiating with developer Related Cos. to anchor the Hudson Yards’ 1 million-square-foot retail complex, slated to open in 2018, with multilevel store that could span upwards of 200,000 square feet, according to sources briefed on the talks.
A Neiman spokeswoman declined to comment. A spokeswoman at Related wasn’t immediately able to comment.

The deal would be a coup for Related Cos., which has already signed deals with Time Warner and Coach for office space but had yet to find a standout retail brand for its commercial-and-residential complex spanning 37 million square feet at a cost of $20 billion.
A flagship store at Hudson Yards also would mark the first foray of the 107-year-old Neiman Marcus brand into the Big Apple. The retailer has long hesitated because it also owns the swanky Bergdorf-Goodman store on Fifth Avenue.

“They never wanted to come and have their own stores compete with Bergdorf’s,” said Faith Hope Consolo, chairman of retail leasing and sales at Prudential Douglas Elliman.
But an unyielding luxury boom in the Big Apple has steadily changed the equation for Neiman, Consolo said. The city’s locals and tourists have grown increasingly affluent, with sharpened appetites for designer fashions and pricey handbags.

“There’s a much bigger pie now,” she said. “People don’t see it as cannibalizing anymore.”
Insiders said the new owners of Neiman Marcus, buyout firm Ares Management and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, are searching for new ways to grow the chain after shelling out $6 billion to acquire it last September.

Expanding into Manhattan would certainly do the trick. Neiman, sources said, is close to finalizing a deal with Related for a built-out space leased at a long-term rate between $30 and $40 a square foot.
While that looks attractive versus comparable rents around Manhattan, word of the deal has drawn skepticism from some insiders, who have balked at the site’s relatively remote and inaccessible location near the corner of 30th St. and 10th Ave.

“They had to find somebody from Dallas who didn’t understand New York real estate,” quipped one New York property insider. “They think ladies are going to get in a cab to go shop when they can walk to Fifth Avenue?”

Indeed, competitors including Saks Fifth Avenue, Nordstrom, Bloomingdale’s and even Paris-based Galeries Lafayette have all taken a look at Hudson Yards and passed, according to sources.
As first reported by The Post last June, Nordstrom has instead opted to open a flagship in 2018 that will anchor a skyscraper at 225 W. 57th St.

Nevertheless, Consolo said she’s optimistic Hudson Yards will become a vibrant shopping destination — especially with Neiman Marcus anchoring it.

“If Neiman Marcus was in the middle of the river, I’d go,” Consolo said.
I think that critic is underestimating the impact of HY. Within 4 years it will become a destination of its own with already 2 major companies moving to the area (L'oreal and Time Warner) but also Fashion week, not to mention all the new residentials going up in the area, that's a lot of people that'll be looking to shop there. Newman Marcus will be the only department store in the area so they won't have much to compete with, I think it works great for Related and Neiman.
On a side note I didn't know Gallery Lafayette was looking for a spot in the city. That's easily my favorite Department store in the world, I would love that move.
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Old March 28th, 2014, 02:48 AM   #3760
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Neiman vs. Nordstrom! Only two can survive!
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