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Old March 28th, 2014, 05:45 AM   #3761
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1-One of the drills has an "X" -shaped attachment for installing permanent casing-it was used on the 2 test caissons recently installed.
2-The other drill has a drill rod for rock socket drilling. They have tested several different drill bits. The 3 high-pressure air compressors on the south west corner are for the drilling.
3-Reports have mentioned blasting for the trench but nothing is set up yet. So far they are line drilling-for smooth walls-you can see this in the photos, and using several excavators with hydraulic breakers for the rock excavation.
4-You don't use blasting for caissons-it can't be controlled.
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Old March 28th, 2014, 01:27 PM   #3762
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Imagine sipping a cocktail up there, watching the sun set between 15 and 35 HY.
With spring FINALLY here (I hope), I can imagine it.

Maybe even a drink with an umbrella in it.

Next week's forecast temps vary between mid-30s and high-50s, all above freezing, without any snow!
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Old March 28th, 2014, 02:53 PM   #3763
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1-One of the drills has an "X" -shaped attachment for installing permanent casing-it was used on the 2 test caissons recently installed.
2-The other drill has a drill rod for rock socket drilling. They have tested several different drill bits. The 3 high-pressure air compressors on the south west corner are for the drilling.
3-Reports have mentioned blasting for the trench but nothing is set up yet. So far they are line drilling-for smooth walls-you can see this in the photos, and using several excavators with hydraulic breakers for the rock excavation.
4-You don't use blasting for caissons-it can't be controlled.
Thanks for the explanations.

UrbanImpressionist @ SSP posted a bunch of photos taken from his aerial perch on the south side of 30th St. This one taken 3/18 shows the two test caissons being installed (I assume). I also assume that the rock drills that are in the trench in this 10 day old photo are doing the "line drilling" that mmkkk mention.:


UrbanImpressionist also has a high-res photo at this link that I did not bother to scale down: http://www.urbanimpressionist.com/mi...YC/HY/MarP.jpg



PS: I'm pretty certain they will NOT be erecting platform steel in June '14 based upon the fact that it's almost April & T-P is doing test caisson installs
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Old April 1st, 2014, 05:52 PM   #3764
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West Side of Manhattan unready for commuter boom

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The new Hudson Yards development will bring 24 million new people a year to the Far West Side — but there aren’t enough transit options to handle them all, according to a new study.

The 7 train expansion to 11th Avenue and 34th Street, supported by former Mayor Mike Bloomberg, helped spur the development, but too many other projects that would ease transit congestion are not on track, according to the New York Building Congress.
“Development is moving in a westward direction in Manhattan like it never has before,” said Richard Anderson, president of the NYBC — a nonpartisan coalition of business, labor and other groups.

“It’s over 30 million square feet of new development. One subway line is not sufficient. We’re already seeing severe overcrowding on the commuter rail lines.”
The rezoning includes 5,000 new apartments, five office towers and 100 shops.
Snagged projects that would ease congestion include redeveloping the old Farley Post Office on Eighth Avenue into a new home for Amtrak that would draw away some of Penn Station’s large crowds.

Demand for a new rail connection between the West Side and New Jersey has also skyrocketed — but only a small fraction of funding has gone toward a second train route under the Hudson River.

Amtrak proposed the Gateway project in 2011, which would add 25 slots for high-speed trains during rush hour between New York and Newark Penn Station.
It was seen as an alternative to a new tunnel that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie nixed in 2010. It also ends in Penn Station, rather than underneath 34th Street.
The project is expected to cost about $14 billion — but only $185 million has been allocated so far.

The MTA has also wanted to bring Metro-North trains to Penn Station for years, giving it a second terminal if service to Grand Central is disrupted.

But delays in bringing the LIRR to Grand Central have put those plans on hold, since there won’t be enough track space at Penn Station for Metro-North.

The report calls for more coordination through a new intergovernmental group that would advance all the different projects.

The MTA said the authority backs all of the projects above to alleviate crowds on the West Side.

“We are either actively working on or are supportive of these projects,” said spokesman Kevin Ortiz.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 08:40 PM   #3765
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Thanks, Ghostface..... with the coming West Side boom essential that the transportation infrastructure to handle the anticipated traffic, especially tourists in the millions, have to be addressed. Further delays would be unacceptable, and this has to be a huge priority to make getting around as smooth and workable as possible. The Farley/Moynihan project is one that has to be kept moving for certain. If no tunnel between New Jersey/ New York other means like the high speed option have to be put into play.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 09:04 PM   #3766
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Absolutely true. Moynihan should really become a priority for the city ( as well as rebuilding LGA and subways to both airports). But even if Moynihan is built, it won't be enough to resolve the issues of overcrowding in Penn Station because of how the tracks are located in the station so a full redevelopment is an absolute necessity. Let's hope those politicians do something useful for once.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 05:21 AM   #3767
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 06:07 AM   #3768
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How much do they need to lease before starting construction?
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 06:12 AM   #3769
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How much do they need to lease before starting construction?
They don't need to lease anything more to go vertical. Related is just waiting for the platform to be completed to start.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 06:14 AM   #3770
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Not sure if this is the old design but measuring this in pixels, if it is 1227 feet to the tip the observatory is lower than 1080'

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Old April 2nd, 2014, 06:32 AM   #3771
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The top (public) floor is probably 1080'. the platform is 1054' as per this:

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Old April 2nd, 2014, 07:22 AM   #3772
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Ah right... but you can see the very tip (around 1190') is occupied there as well
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:18 PM   #3773
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SHould be a cool ride in these outdoor elevators.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:58 PM   #3774
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SHould be a cool ride in these outdoor elevators.
They're not outdoor lifts, the render is basically of the building chopped in half so we can see the interior

Unless you were joking
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 04:19 PM   #3775
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"politicians do something useful for once"

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Absolutely true. Moynihan should really become a priority for the city ( as well as rebuilding LGA and subways to both airports). But even if Moynihan is built, it won't be enough to resolve the issues of overcrowding in Penn Station because of how the tracks are located in the station so a full redevelopment is an absolute necessity. Let's hope those politicians do something useful for once.
"politicians do something useful for once" for mass transit - good luck.

The Penn Station West End Concourse improvement is being built under Farley/Moynihan NOW and might be ready in '16. By the time (and IF) the east end of Farley becomes Amtrak's Moynihan Station waiting room the LIRR's East Side Access should be operational: 2020???
When ESA opens the crowding down in the bowels of Penn station should be reduced.

These two (Amtrak Moynihan station would be a possible third) projects should produce a better experience below street level in Penn Station's bowels, but will NOT increase connectivity with our mainland (NJ, Philly, Washington, DC, etc) under the Hudson River.

That requires REAL funding for Amtrak's Gateway project, which is where "politicians do something useful for once" comes in....

In the meantime, Amtrak's Gateway tunnel box between 10th & 11th Ave has to be completed so that Related/T-P can build the first parts of the overbuild platform above the existing LIRR West Side Storage Yards, etc.

I think spring has FINALLY come to the NYC area, so construction progress should pick up & j-biz et al could provide more photos of said progress.

This (accuracy highly questionable) screencap of a 3/19/2014 NY1 report shows platform steel going up over a nicely backfilled Amtrak Gateway tunnel box casing. If that's the sequence, we will not see what's shown in the rendering/animation screencap till at least 2015:


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Old April 8th, 2014, 05:23 AM   #3776
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Perini is staging equipment for the caisson drilling along the 11th Ave viaduct-casings, tools and a crane. They have blocked off the viewing area along the sidewalk.
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Old April 9th, 2014, 02:05 AM   #3777
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Old April 9th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #3778
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I am happy to see they are covering the yard...
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Old April 9th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #3779
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So very true. Politicans doing "something useful for mass transit"
Not in the 21st century.

What is more, the MTA estimates that ESA will open in 2021 but the FTA thinks 2023.

Quite frankly, don't hold your breath for both of these estimates as the date could get pushed further into 2030 (as predicted by some)...This project is just too much for the MTA to handle.

Also Metro-north trains to Penn. Station won't happen until said project opens. (Will it even open? The price will balloon to $10.8 billion+ )
I do not mean to be pessimistic but I am an engineer and am intimately familiar with schedule slippage on much, much smaller projects than HY, ESA or whatever happens to NY Penn/Moynihan/Whatever Station.

I am not an MBA or economist, but the money to do these delayed-yet-again projects has to come from somewhere REAL, not just political hot air.

That is one of the reasons I mention the West End Concourse/etc. improvements at Penn. Will the project finish on time: 2016? That current project has NY State involved, along with, IIRC, some PANYNJ "help".
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Old April 10th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #3780
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Maybe it's just me, but this tower does not look even near ~1300ft in that render. Looks about the same height as the cylindrical tower
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