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Old December 16th, 2015, 03:45 AM   #4861
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Old December 16th, 2015, 05:10 AM   #4862
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Wow 100% leased and this tower's barely off the ground! Yet, Larry Silverstein had struggled to get just one anchor tenant for both 2 & 3 WTC. I don't get it...
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Old December 16th, 2015, 05:42 AM   #4863
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Well, it is the largest-scale skyscraper undertaking in American history.
In the end, how much will it cost?
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 04:09 PM   #4864
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 06:36 PM   #4865
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In the end, how much will it cost?
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 07:42 PM   #4866
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 07:47 PM   #4867
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In the end, how much will it cost?
Even more important: What will it yield:

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Old December 23rd, 2015, 07:51 PM   #4868
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Wow 100% leased and this tower's barely off the ground! Yet, Larry Silverstein had struggled to get just one anchor tenant for both 2 & 3 WTC. I don't get it...
I think it's fairly simple isn't it? The rent here I must assume is lower, given the lower cost of development that comes with private development and the lack of bureaucracy. Beyond that, this is a new neighborhood, a frontier, and it has close proximity to midtown, the old mecca for fashion companies. So this is extremely appealing for those companies, as it gives them access to the same talent pool as locating in midtown without the burden of the crazies and wild crowds of midtown. Plus there's a new subway stop here, a cornucopia of new new amenities, there's no association with a terrorist even like at the WTC, and this is clearly just the new cool area for hotels/residential/office, so really the odds are stacked in the favor of the developers here. Not to mention the relative proximity of both Penn Station and Grand Central, making access from the burbs as well as access for business travelers quite easy.

Also, there's a great difference in designing office space meant to appeal to contemporary finance companies and fashion/entertainment companies. These buildings clearly appeal to fashion/entertainment companies. With their vast atriums, edgy designs, plethora of meeting spaces inside, access to the highline and meatpacking, this development is everything those companies are looking for.
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Old December 23rd, 2015, 11:49 PM   #4869
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Even more important: What will it yield:

Would love to Bank on it. But think the renderings change all the time ?
Or at least whenever I see a new update every 3 month or so ?

So, what are we really banking on ...?
I think we want this, tight?
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Old December 24th, 2015, 02:55 AM   #4870
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No we want 35 Hudson yards to have some more curves.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 03:00 AM   #4871
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every single building a boring box,

given where we were and where we're invariably headed and looking at this latest batch of value engineering, why don't you just admit that you're building the first render you showed

but that's not good for marketing...
man, they should write books about this shit
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Old December 24th, 2015, 04:47 AM   #4872
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every single building a boring box,

given where we were and where we're invariably headed and looking at this latest batch of value engineering, why don't you just admit that you're building the first render you showed

but that's not good for marketing...
man, they should write books about this shit
What?
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Old December 24th, 2015, 05:56 AM   #4873
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I love it. Its amazing, god spectacular, I imagine the residential towers have to be sick and the views to die for. Really I love all that I have seen so far
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Old December 26th, 2015, 09:04 PM   #4874
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What?
look at renders on page one and then at the latest batch,
how many changes have we seen so far? each one is an instance of simplification and value engineering....

this latest version is starting to look more and more like the design during the competition stages which was pretty bland...we really got only excited about this complex later in the stage, when the designs of individual towers were revealed.

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so I always wondered, perhaps someone can enlighten: how does it work when a client signs a lease on a building that still doesn't exist and they make their decision based on pretty pictures alone (and let's say this is important for their brand image)..but then, three years later after half a dozen revisions and 200 mil in cost savings the tower feels a bit like its a bate and switch?? okay, let's assume the client is a midsized firm renting only a bunch of floors so unlike NewCorp, Merrill etc, probably not invited to design meetings
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Old December 26th, 2015, 10:09 PM   #4875
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look at renders on page one and then at the latest batch,
how many changes have we seen so far? each one is an instance of simplification and value engineering....

this latest version is starting to look more and more like the design during the competition stages which was pretty bland...we really got only excited about this complex later in the stage, when the designs of individual towers were revealed.

PS:

so I always wondered, perhaps someone can enlighten: how does it work when a client signs a lease on a building that still doesn't exist and they make their decision based on pretty pictures alone (and let's say this is important for their brand image)..but then, three years later after half a dozen revisions and 200 mil in cost savings the tower feels a bit like its a bate and switch?? okay, let's assume the client is a midsized firm renting only a bunch of floors so unlike NewCorp, Merrill etc, probably not invited to design meetings
Which buildings are you talking about? This one (30 HY) and its smaller brother (10 HY) are the only ones that are already leased or sold. In the case of 10 HY, the only one nearing completion, it looks pretty much as the renderings shown in the first page, that have been around since a couple of years. I really don't see what would be all that
changes.

If you are talking of the other two buildings (15 and 35 HY) those have had changes in the design (the corset being eliminated, and the other one has had a lot of changes on the design) But those are residential, hence there isn't and won't be a single corporate there. And as residential towers, they have not began sales yet, I guess that when they do, the design would be definitive so nobody will complain about changes.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 09:24 PM   #4876
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Which buildings are you talking about? This one (30 HY) and its smaller brother (10 HY) are the only ones that are already leased or sold. In the case of 10 HY, the only one nearing completion, it looks pretty much as the renderings shown in the first page, that have been around since a couple of years. I really don't see what would be all that
changes.

If you are talking of the other two buildings (15 and 35 HY) those have had changes in the design (the corset being eliminated, and the other one has had a lot of changes on the design) But those are residential, hence there isn't and won't be a single corporate there. And as residential towers, they have not began sales yet, I guess that when they do, the design would be definitive so nobody will complain about changes.
every building
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Old December 28th, 2015, 04:52 AM   #4877
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They've only got two designs pretty much finalized. I'd say everything else is still up to redesign. And anyway remember the first renderings of what this was gonna be?
We've gone from this.


To this.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 06:13 AM   #4878
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Hudson Yards Phase 2 is likely going to see major value engineering. I'm not holding my breath for those beauties. The first designs are always the best ones. Every new iteration is a downgrade
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That often happens, but not for 30HY, IMO.
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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #4880
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They've only got two designs pretty much finalized. I'd say everything else is still up to redesign. And anyway remember the first renderings of what this was gonna be?
We've gone from this.

To this.
well no, we went from that to this but i hear ya

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