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Old November 22nd, 2007, 09:51 PM   #41
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Here is another document - in pdf format with detailed plan and explanation block by block about the whole site
http://home2.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/hy...nformation.pdf
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:03 PM   #42
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Another thing about the Brookfiel proposal. Although it seems that there is a lot of green in the southwestern part of the site plan, the green is ontop of a one story retail base, so it will be more pedestrian friendly than the site plan seems.
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:15 PM   #43
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amazing, The brookfield seems to be the best one by far. The others are not tall enough or are to much of a mega-structure destroying the skylines' dynamics.
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:54 PM   #44
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HOLY SHIT! amazing plans! GOGOGO NY!
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 12:21 AM   #45
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Wow..
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 12:23 AM   #46
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Brookfield is the best by far..
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 12:29 AM   #47
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Chicago closing in? HARDLY! lol. Chicago is not even half the size or has even half the amount of proposals. NY is already over Hong Kong on skyscrapers No?
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 01:20 AM   #48
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This is madness...I can't believe it. I'm stunned...

btw: NY, was, is, and will be the capital of skyscrapers just fot the quality of them. if we add quantity....it's even better!
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 01:27 AM   #49
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Are you sure about this? The area will be one of the top four biggest CBDs in the US. Keep in mind that what you're seeing now is only a fraction of everything and the whole thing may not be wholly completed for over 20 years. I think it's more than likely that all of the new skyscrapers in the area would be enough to blow a combined future La Défense and Canary Warf away. From what I know, this proposal is only a section of the rail yards, plus there are three more supertalls and some more other 500-800' tall buildings proposed and approved in the area right now, and there will be many more. A block behind the superblock of this will hopefully be the superblocks of the MSG, which is another completely different project which should have two to three supertalls; I already know that an early version has a 1,240' and 1,340' towers to their roofs, and then there's also a massing elevation of a 1,600' tall building to the roof. It was clearly well over twice the height of 1 Penn Plaza. As the towers get closer to the Empire State Building, they get taller - from about 400 feet tall by the water, to as much as about 1,400 feet tall and perhaps even 1,550+ with any luck. This is all so big that it almost starts to blow away the the half of the LM skyline with the WTC. We're talking about at least four new supertalls, perhaps as much as seven or eight or nine - more than most cities on this planet will ever have; there are six proposed for sure now, but many more will come, and literally dozens of 500-footers and up. All I know is that you can sum this all up in one way: skyscraper mania.
Exactamundo my friend... this Megaproject along with the MSG proposal by SOM/Foster and the Hotel Penn, KPF tower at the base of One Penn Plaza will be more square footage than most cities on earth... numbers don't lie. Oh yea and we have the rest of Manhattan.... and the new WTC (14 million sq. ft)... nothing , nothng comes remotely close to NYC. It's simply where skyscrapers belong along with Chi-Town.

Happy Thanksgiving people...I'm stuffed.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:26 AM   #50
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Stuffed with towers. The only bad part is the waiting.

They say the Brookfield one is in the $20 Billion range! That's more than the WTC + GS! I'm sure that they all cost at least $10 billion. Each plan has around ten to twenty new skyscrapers.


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Yes please! You can see the beams in the base of the tower to the right. I love that.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 05:55 AM   #51
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amazing!!
[img] http://www.pbase.com/image/89165248.jpg [/img]

New york skyline gets a lot better...
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 06:26 AM   #52
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Stuffed with towers....
ahh, Ebola. Master of the segway
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 06:40 AM   #53
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OOOO MMMM GGGGGG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG



This plus the MOMA tower all I can say is DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING (remember Price is Right???)
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 06:47 AM   #54
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That is one huge cluster of highrises. I guess there isn't a such thing called zoning laws in this project.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 06:51 AM   #55
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The laws are pretty lax.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 01:23 PM   #56
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Sorry if this Brookfield/SOM render has been seen before:

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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:22 PM   #57
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You don't thnik by the time this is done CW and LD will have alot more stuff planned themselves? Canry Wharf has plans to atleast double it's size in the next 5 or so years (I would say, with the all the projects coming, it will be considerably more than doubled), think where it will be when this is completed in 20 years! Hopefully something will be done with the airport, and then much taller towers will be proposed too. I would take a guess at Canary Wharf being four times the size it is now in 20 years time. And of course I don't have to tell any of you what is going on with La Defense at the mo, I'm sure you all know already, it's hard to miss it around here.

I'm not too sure you can compare this with both La Defense and Canary Wharf combined, from 20 years from now. I do hope the best for this new cluster though. IMO the SOM one is better than the World Trade Centre Site.

My point exactly.
Cheers man!


Ebola: you might be right, and good for NY if you are; but once again, given the information we have right now, I think you are asserting too strongly something which there is no way to affirmatively predict. I mean... 20 years! God! Dubai could almost be a mid-size skyline by then if they were to stop building after 2012 and say... if London keeps the rate it is on at the moment.
If, if, if...

Let's just see what goes ahead first with this project but let's also keep for later perhaps, the "NY WILL RULE EVERYTHING!!" kindda statements.


Wonderful render above
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:25 PM   #58
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It certainly is, if the final towers end up looking like that then they will be the best looking modern Towers in New York IMO.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:39 PM   #59
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I love all these projects.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 04:44 PM   #60
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That rendering wasn't posted before Newcastle Guy. Brookfield's proposal is just so amazing.
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