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Old November 16th, 2011, 02:34 AM   #741
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Old November 16th, 2011, 11:45 PM   #742
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Meh, I would have prefered the olympic stadium proposal.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #743
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Meh, I would have prefered the olympic stadium proposal.
The Jets' stadium? Yeah that would have been nice in a different way. This is for anyone who opposed that project due to construction and development tying up traffic among other issues. Something was gonna be built there, and now instead of 8 crowded Sundays a year it's 24/7 between permanent residents and major office buildings.

I'm just glad it's being developed period.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 03:00 AM   #744
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The Jets' stadium? Yeah that would have been nice in a different way. This is for anyone who opposed that project due to construction and development tying up traffic among other issues. Something was gonna be built there, and now instead of 8 crowded Sundays a year it's 24/7 between permanent residents and major office buildings.

I'm just glad it's being developed period.
Yep, better something than nothing. Especially in this area of the city.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 03:05 PM   #745
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NY REAL ESTATE COMMERCIAL
NOVEMBER 21, 2011

"Architect Returns to Drawing Board"

By ROBBIE WHELAN



Last spring, developer Related Cos. became disenchanted with the design of the first phase of Hudson Yards, the gargantuan project on top of a train storage yard along the Hudson River.

"I could tell that Stephen wasn't in love with it," recalls Jay Cross, who oversees the project for Related, referring to the developer's chairman, Stephen Ross. "He felt he wanted the buildings to be more dramatic. And we found that the marketplace was looking for bigger buildings."

That made for a busy summer for Related and its architect William Pedersen, one of the name partners at the firm Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates. The result, which was recently unveiled, is an improvement in terms of the interactions of the buildings if not in the aesthetics of the buildings themselves.

With 26 acres and more than 12 million square feet of potential developable space overtop Hudson Yards competes with the rebuilding of the World Trade Center site as New York's current, highest-profile development effort. Related has signed a deal with handbag-maker Coach Inc. to move its headquarters into 600,000 square feet in the south tower.


Kohn Pedersen Fox

A new rendering shows two jagged towers.
.Kohn Pedersen's original first-phase design called for three boxy steel office towers, the shortest one in the middle, along the east side of the site. Each building had the same square-jawed look of consternation: renderings showed stacks of long, plain blocks of steel and concrete arrayed to look like a cubist abstraction, or a screenshot from Tetris, the old block-stacking video-game. In between was to be four stories of retail space centered around a large glass box with a cyclone-shaped structure.

The design wasn't terrible. But it wasn't the sort of arresting, statement-making architecture that one would expect a next-big-thing type of project. KPF's early designs for the buildings were like Buckingham Palace bobbies: standing straight and erect, faces constant, but not saying much of anything at all.

The new plan for phase one, recently unveiled, describes a much different composition. The 30-story middle building is gone. New renderings show two jagged towers—the more northerly one 67 stories and sloping diagonally toward the city, the other, 51 stories and angled towards the Hudson—that slash through the skyline. Connecting the two buildings will be eight stories of retail and trading-floor space.



William Pedersen, the architect of the Hudson Yards project, in his studio at Kohn Pedersen Fox.
.The two office towers are disappointing as stand-alone buildings. Like most modern office towers they are brash and arrogant instead of being noble and poised. Their form is shard-like: all harsh angles with a jaggedness that evokes crystals or canyon rock formations.

But the new design helps make up for this in the way the office buildings interact. The mirror-image slopes of the two buildings, which would regard one another differently from nearly every angle of viewing, give viewers the sensation of two dancers in the midst of a paso doble. The southern building, which would house Coach, is, sensibly, the female of the pair —slightly shorter, with the atrium manifested as a slit in the dancer's ball gown, giving a glimpse of a flash of leg underneath.

Mr. Pedersen talks frequently of the "responsibility of tall buildings" to interact rationally with the urban context around them. The towers, through their interplay, emphasize the presence of a long, open, park space—set to run east-west from the towers to the river—that will go in between them.

"The buildings have to be able to, by their internal biology, create social connections," Mr. Pedersen says. "Too many buildings around the world have independent, sculptural shapes. The effect here is to connect the building directly to the city."

This intent is certainly palpable in the design. And if Related eventually ends up landing another signature tenant for the north tower, the plan will be realized, and the two buildings will go ahead and dance their way around the fabric of the city's newest cluster of statement-making skyscrapers.
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Old November 21st, 2011, 03:47 PM   #746
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Old November 21st, 2011, 04:04 PM   #747
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A few days ago I saw the info (though not a model) in SSP diagrams but now they've removed it. I wonder why?
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Old November 21st, 2011, 04:49 PM   #748
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very different project
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Old November 29th, 2011, 03:09 AM   #749
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/ny...velopment.html
From Ashes of Olympic Bid, a Future Rises for the Far West Side



By CHARLES V. BAGLI
November 27, 2011


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Late in his first term, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg suffered a stinging defeat when, after an extensive planning and public relations effort, New York City lost its bid to host the 2012 Summer Olympics.

Now, though, a vibrant neighborhood is rising in the area where the Olympic stadium and complex would have stood on the Far West Side of Manhattan. As a result, officials, developers and urban planners are embracing an unlikely notion: the Olympic bid’s defeat may have been one of the best things to happen for the city’s growth in recent memory.

No one expects the Far West Side to look like the office canyons on Avenue of the Americas anytime soon. Another deep recession in the next few years could undermine nascent plans.


Still, city officials predict that within two decades, Hudson Yards could have more office space than Baltimore or Portland, Ore., and as many apartments as Stamford, Conn.

Commercial development has progressed more slowly because of the area’s lack of public transportation, its untested location and the costly decks that must be built over the railroad tracks. Even so, Related, Brookfield Properties, Sherwood Equities and other developers at Hudson Yards said they were optimistic that the first set of commercial buildings was only a few years off, especially with the subway extension set to open in 2013.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 07:32 PM   #750
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lovely project thums up
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Old November 30th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #751
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Very nice project indeed...Is this in the place of the Brookfield Manhattan west proposal, or is it a different project?? - Ive not been to New York in 3 years, massive change in skyscrapers in that short time with the WTC, and One57! Great buildings
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Old November 30th, 2011, 11:05 PM   #752
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Very nice project indeed...Is this in the place of the Brookfield Manhattan west proposal, or is it a different project?? - Ive not been to New York in 3 years, massive change in skyscrapers in that short time with the WTC, and One57! Great buildings
Look at the pic on top of the page. Manhattan west is squeezed into that little square.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:33 AM   #753
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Very nice project indeed...Is this in the place of the Brookfield Manhattan west proposal, or is it a different project?? - Ive not been to New York in 3 years, massive change in skyscrapers in that short time with the WTC, and One57! Great buildings
It's a different project. The area that this and Manhattan West are located in has many empty parcels, each of which has millions of square feet or air rights. Thus, in 20 years, this area will be a forest of towers well in excess of 350m.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:43 AM   #754
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It is a shame they cancelled one station on the 7 line extension.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:46 AM   #755
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It is a shame they cancelled one station on the 7 line extension.
I agree. Maybe it will be built in the future.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 02:43 PM   #756
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I'm happy that so much construction is planned for this huge site, though I do hope that they leave some place free for a megatall in the future. These planned towers are beautiful but I still think NY needs a new building that is built not for sheer profit, but which is truly visionary, like the ESB or the Twins. I'm an optimist and I think that 'til the end of this century NYC will have a new world's tallet building
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Old December 1st, 2011, 05:33 PM   #757
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I'm happy that so much construction is planned for this huge site, though I do hope that they leave some place free for a megatall in the future. These planned towers are beautiful but I still think NY needs a new building that is built not for sheer profit, but which is truly visionary, like the ESB or the Twins. I'm an optimist and I think that 'til the end of this century NYC will have a new world's tallet building
Something like the big towers in Shanghai, probably. I don't see a tallest tower in New York ever again.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 07:31 PM   #758
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Who knows, so many decades left 'til the end of this century, it could become reality
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Old December 1st, 2011, 08:49 PM   #759
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NY will never have the worlds tallest building, but it could have the most supertalls in one place which is equally if not more impressive... I say that because, if the Jeddah tower gets built, it will be 3300 feet tall, NY will never build half that high... but maybe itll build so many 1000-1300 footers that it will be more impressive that a city with one 3000 footer
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Old December 1st, 2011, 09:01 PM   #760
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NYC will always stay the classic skyscraper capital, which has a lot more value forever than all the plastic phallus clowntowns somewhere in the deserts combined.


But anyway, this doesn't belong here, so please stick to the topic which is the Hudson Yards project. Thanks.
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