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Old December 21st, 2011, 01:23 AM   #801
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in the past there was more of a demand for skyscrapers to look pretty and have as much art as possible. now its all about how much floor space you can get for how cheap. :/
It's not just the efficiency of the floor plate but other considerations such as the degree of natural lighting which is an important consideration w.r.t. sustainability and energy costs.
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indeed ^
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Old December 21st, 2011, 12:54 PM   #803
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I can't really comprehend what you're talking about since I'm short of time, but please stop the offtopic discussion and go back to Hudson Yards. Thank you.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 02:08 AM   #804
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I think they're talking about the designs, compared to other buildings.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 03:03 AM   #805
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What's great about NYC is that even though it has a strong art deco theme throughout its skyline, it also has great variation and smatterings of buildings that break the mold.
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Old December 27th, 2011, 08:59 AM   #806
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If they truly went only for floor space and nothing else all new buildings would be boxes, so I think design is still being considered by most developers
And they are boxes. Parallelograms, with fancy glass.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 05:52 AM   #807
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In his annual "State of the State" address on 4 Jan. 2012, New York's Governor, Andrew Cuomo, called for demolishing the Javits Convention Center and building a new center in Queens. For those who don't know NY, Javits occupies a gigantic site, which is directly adjacent to Related's Hudson Yards site on the north side. The Javits site would have at least 15 million sf of air rights. It is the very large black building on the left side of the photo and its site continues all the way to the two little, orange, square structures. This will transform the far west side.

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Old January 5th, 2012, 06:03 AM   #808
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does cuomo really have enough say in city affairs for that to mean anything?
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Old January 5th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #809
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Yes. Demolishing Javits has been discussed for a few years now, and now that this forlorn area's transformation is underway, Javits' demolition will be expedited.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/ny...agewanted=2&hp


Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo delivered his State of the State address in Albany on Wednesday.

By THOMAS KAPLAN
Published: January 4, 2012

ALBANY — Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, vowing to revive New York’s stagnant economy, on Wednesday unveiled more than a dozen initiatives aimed at creating jobs across the state, including building the nation’s largest convention center in Queens and offering $1 billion in incentives to lure companies to Buffalo...

Mr. Cuomo threw his support behind the construction of a 3.8-million-square-foot convention center at the Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens, as a joint venture with a subsidiary of the gambling company Genting Group, which in October opened a casino with electronic games at the racetrack. And he said it was time to begin the process of amending the state’s Constitution to allow for full-fledged resort-style casinos developed off Indian land, given the proliferation of gambling on Indian land and in neighboring states.

“We are surrounded by gaming,” Mr. Cuomo said. “And for us, this is not about chips and cards. This is about the jobs that the casino industry generates.”

At the same time, he proposed private redevelopment of the land now occupied by the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center on the West Side of Manhattan, and he vowed to set aside $1 billion in economic incentives to draw businesses to Buffalo, the state’s second-largest city and long an economically depressed area. The governor’s office said the nature of the incentives for Buffalo, and how they would be financed, had not yet been determined.....

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, who attended the speech, called Mr. Cuomo’s convention center proposal a “great idea” and said redeveloping the Javits center site would fit in well with construction projects, including Hudson Yards, that are already under way on the West Side. “I liked his focus on the economy and on job creation; that is really what this state needs, and New York City as well,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “It’s a challenge to all of us to put our nose to the grindstone and actually do the work.”
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Old January 5th, 2012, 07:39 AM   #810
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Yes. Demolishing Javits has been discussed for a few years now, and now that this forlorn area's transformation is underway, Javits' demolition will be expedited.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/ny...agewanted=2&hp


Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo delivered his State of the State address in Albany on Wednesday.

By THOMAS KAPLAN
Published: January 4, 2012

ALBANY — Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, vowing to revive New York’s stagnant economy, on Wednesday unveiled more than a dozen initiatives aimed at creating jobs across the state, including building the nation’s largest convention center in Queens and offering $1 billion in incentives to lure companies to Buffalo...

Mr. Cuomo threw his support behind the construction of a 3.8-million-square-foot convention center at the Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens, as a joint venture with a subsidiary of the gambling company Genting Group, which in October opened a casino with electronic games at the racetrack. And he said it was time to begin the process of amending the state’s Constitution to allow for full-fledged resort-style casinos developed off Indian land, given the proliferation of gambling on Indian land and in neighboring states.

“We are surrounded by gaming,” Mr. Cuomo said. “And for us, this is not about chips and cards. This is about the jobs that the casino industry generates.”

At the same time, he proposed private redevelopment of the land now occupied by the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center on the West Side of Manhattan, and he vowed to set aside $1 billion in economic incentives to draw businesses to Buffalo, the state’s second-largest city and long an economically depressed area. The governor’s office said the nature of the incentives for Buffalo, and how they would be financed, had not yet been determined.....

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, who attended the speech, called Mr. Cuomo’s convention center proposal a “great idea” and said redeveloping the Javits center site would fit in well with construction projects, including Hudson Yards, that are already under way on the West Side. “I liked his focus on the economy and on job creation; that is really what this state needs, and New York City as well,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “It’s a challenge to all of us to put our nose to the grindstone and actually do the work.”
what makes you think demolition is any closer now than it was a few years ago? are you sure you know what you are talking about?
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Old January 5th, 2012, 10:26 AM   #811
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So much for that big, expensive renovation they're still working on. I say good riddance. It's old, outdated, ugly, and really depressing the area. New York deserves a more functional and competitive convention center anyway.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #812
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what makes you think demolition is any closer now than it was a few years ago? are you sure you know what you are talking about?
What sort of question is that? It won't be demolished tomorrow, as it will take a few years to build the new convention center.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...come&mg=id-wsj

NY POLITICS
JANUARY 5, 2012
Another New Idea for the Javits Center

By JOSEPH DE AVILA

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's plans to redevelop the West Side facility and build a new convention center in Queens come as the Javits Center is searching for a new chief executive and is completing a $500 million renovation.

Making the announcement in his State of the State address, Mr. Cuomo summed up what critics have said about the state-owned Javits Center for years: It is too small and outdated to host world-class events in the nation's largest city.

"Right now the Jacob Javits Center is not competitive," Mr. Cuomo said, adding that it is smaller than convention centers in cities like Anaheim and Atlanta. "That hurts the New York economy."

Replacing Javits would be what Mr. Cuomo billed as the country's largest convention center, a private venture proposed near the Aqueduct Racetrack and a casino in the South Ozone Park section of Queens. The plan would add the Javits site as another prime parcel of developable land in a fast-growing part of Manhattan near the Related Cos.' Hudson Yards project and Moynihan Station.

Under Mr. Cuomo's plan, the 18-acre Javits Center site would become a mixed-use facility that could include housing, hotels and office space. It would be modeled, Mr. Cuomo said, after the Battery Park City Authority, which signs long-term leases with private developers and provides revenue to the state. Small and midsize conventions could still take place at Javits, while larger shows would happen in Queens. The Cuomo administration estimates that more than $2 billion in private-sector investment would flow into a redeveloped Javits Center.

Carl Loewenson, chairman of the New York Convention Center Operating Corp. that runs the Javits Center, declined to comment on Mr. Cuomo's speech.

Mr. Cuomo's plan is the latest effort by the state to reconfigure the Javits Center, which was built in 1986. Ever since, governors have made halting efforts to expand the center, which is currently in the midst of a $500 million renovation that includes an 80,000-square-foot addition scheduled to be completed in two years.

The Queens convention center proposal—on which Mr. Cuomo's Javits plans hinge—would face significant obstacles.

Malaysian gaming company Genting Americas would have to obtain financing for a 3.8-million-square-foot facility that would cost more than $1 billion at a time when construction loans are hard to get, industry experts said. A Genting subsidiary already runs a casino at the racetrack.

The Queens location could be another hurdle because many tourists prefer to stay in Manhattan with easy access to restaurants and Broadway, said Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York, an industry association.

"Part of the planning will have to be the transportation to get people around the city of New York," Mr. Spinola said. "But if you make it big enough and make it exciting enough, I think you will be able to overcome that."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the Aqueduct area would be a "decent location."

"I think all of us agree that we need a bigger convention center," he said. "It would be a great idea to get it done."

Christian Goode, senior vice president of development of Genting Americas, said in a statement: "It's a great time to invest and grow in New York, and we are thrilled to be able to play a role in creating jobs and increasing tourism."

Mr. Cuomo's vision for the Javits Center would open for development a Manhattan parcel of land that the governor said was "larger than the World Trade Center and the United Nations."

"This becomes the biggest development parcel in the city," said Bob Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association, which had pushed for a similar plan for Javits last year. "It's the opportunity to create a large mixed-use district that would complement the Hudson Yards site."

The proposal comes as the Javits Center has hunted for a new chief executive for several months after its longtime leader Gerald McQueen stepped down last year. Mr. McQueen had been credited for rooting out the mob corruption at the center and helping it turn profits from fiscal year 1997 to 2009.

The center's financial health declined after the 2008-09 recession. Shows have become smaller, and there have been fewer of them as more groups opt for video conferencing instead of traditional conventions, Mr. Loewenson said.

"People have recovered from the shock of the financial crisis, but it's still not back to where it was before 2008," Mr. Loewenson said.
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As I understand it, the Javits parcel is outside the current Hudson Yards redevelopment district but can be easily included with the same FAR and other development incentives. Indeed, it is the only parcel outside the zoning district at present.

With over $ 3 Billion in infrastructure investments in the area, including the 7th Line subway extension, a sprawling Convention center is no longer the highest and best use for this site. As we can see in the excellent aerial shot that Robert posted, the entire is all set for density. Once the Javits site is added to the nearly 40 Million SF of commercial and residential development planned in the area, this would be a hub that can challenge Times Square or the WTC area!
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In addition, there are several other fullblock sites that are either carparks for industrial vehicles or warehouses, all of which have tens of millions of square feet of air rights.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 06:06 PM   #815
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In addition, there are several other fullblock sites that are either carparks for industrial vehicles or warehouses, all of which have tens of millions of square feet of air rights.
Absolutely! Over the next 15-20 years, this could become the most built on area in NYC, if not the whole of the US! I don't think that there is this much contiguous developable area anywhere else in Manhattan. The trick will be in not creating a glut.
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maybe if it really is developed new york will start catching up.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #817
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there is no catching up to do when you are already at the top. it could help build a greater lead though ;P
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maybe if it really is developed new york will start catching up.
Catch up to what? NY is the king of skyscrapers.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:12 AM   #819
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Catch up to what? NY is the king of skyscrapers.
never said it isnt. there are certainly areas where it could use some improving, however.
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never said it isnt. there are certainly areas where it could use some improving, however.
Of course.
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