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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:32 AM   #821
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Of course.
one of the aspects i was referring to was what i view as new york's lack of balance in its skyline. i think this will help its balance and bring it closer to the grandeur of skylines like that of chicago.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 06:19 AM   #822
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Catch up to what? NY is the king of skyscrapers.
I think some second tier cities in China have more highrises than NYC IMHO
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Old January 6th, 2012, 06:19 AM   #823
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Catch up to what? NY is the king of skyscrapers.
It used to be, but isn't really anymore... maybe in a few years with newer skyscrapers it will be back in a higher ranking.

Good thing is, this is quite likely to be built, as well as a few other large towers.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 06:20 AM   #824
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I think some second tier cities in China have more highrises than NYC IMHO
Well that's wrong.. Hong Kong actually is the only one... check the thread about number of skyscrapers.


And if by highrises you mean apartment blocks, maybe, it by highrises you mean full on skyscrapers, I'd say only Hong Kong and Shanghai could compete

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Old January 6th, 2012, 08:29 AM   #825
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I think some second tier cities in China have more highrises than NYC IMHO
and those skyscrapers are second tier at best. the majority are highrise tenements.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 01:37 PM   #826
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I think Hong Kong is the only one.


And if by highrises you mean apartment blocks, maybe, it by highrises you mean full on skyscrapers, I'd say only Hong Kong and Shanghai could compete
NYC is the unparalleled king. Most of HK's tower are new lousy. The ICC has a terrible design, and the IFC is mediocre. Neither building is as good as 1, 2 or 3 WTC, and 15 Penn is basically the same tower as the IFC. Also, I am unaware of active proposals in HK that are of the calibre of KPF's 300m+ towers at the Hudson Yards, Torre Verre or 56 Leonard, all of which are expected to begin rising in 2012. That being said, I've been to HK and love it.

Lastly, no city in the world has a sea of pre-WWII skyscrapers like NY. Between 42nd and 23rd Streets in particular are at least 200 pre-WW II towers of at least 20 stories. New skyscraper cities can't replicate these, and the few cities that have them (e.g., Chicago, Detroit, etc.) don't have a fraction of NY's.

Lastly, what first-world city is developing as many 300m+ towers as NY? None.

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Old January 6th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #827
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Jan. 6, 2012
Convention Pact Includes Queens Casino
Malaysian Group Could Land Rights

By JACOB GERSHMAN AND JOSEPH DE AVILA

ALBANY—The Cuomo administration's plans to build a massive convention center in Queens may also pave the way for the city's first full-blown casino.

A rendering of what would be the U.S.'s largest convention center. The complex at Aqueduct may also be expanded to add more gambling.
.The Cuomo administration entered Tuesday into a nonbinding agreement with a Malaysian conglomerate to build a massive complex at the Aqueduct racetrack in Queens that includes a "casino expansion" of an existing gambling space at the site.

The details emerged a day after Gov. Andrew Cuomo delivered a State of the State speech in which he announced that his administration is working with the Genting Group to develop the nation's largest convention center at Aqueduct, near JFK airport. In the same speech, Mr. Cuomo said he supported legalizing casino gambling with a state constitutional amendment.

The new details are contained in a copy of an agreement between the state and Genting released by Mr. Cuomo's office Thursday.

According to the document, the state and Genting would work together to develop a project that would include a "convention, exhibition, hotel and parking space, as well as a casino expansion to the existing video lottery terminal facility."

A spokesman for Mr. Cuomo said the governor hasn't made any assurances to Genting about a casino at Aqueduct. Representatives of Genting said they intend to move ahead with the convention center regardless of New York's laws on casino gambling.

"Though Genting Americas supports the governor's constitutional amendment legalizing table games in New York, our plans for a privately funded, $4 billion convention center are not predicated on that amendment," said Stefan Friedman, a spokesman for Genting.

In his State of the State Address, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo outlined his plans to build a new convention center in Queens and redevelop the Javits Center in Manhattan. (Video: NewsCore/ Photo: AP)
.People familiar with the matter said Genting has committed to building the first 2.6 million-square-foot phase of the convention center and Mr. Cuomo has indicated that he would support giving it the rights to build a casino there. Genting would complete the 3.8-million-square-foot project if a constitutional amendment for casino gambling is passed, which could happen in November 2013 at the soonest.

A New York City casino would be sure to garner "gigantic revenues," drawing business from competitors in Connecticut and Atlantic City, said Cory Morowitz, a gambling-industry consultant not involved in the Aqueduct project.

"I think it's a home run," Mr. Morowitz said.

The chief financial officer of Resorts World New York City, a Genting subsidiary that runs a racino at Aqueduct, testified before the state Senate that it wanted to transform the racetrack into a destination casino resort that featured a major convention center. The official indicated that casino gaming was a crucial component of the convention center project because both of them together would create thousands of jobs.

Legislative leaders have expressed support for amending the state constitution to allow for non-tribal casinos, and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver has said he wouldn't object to a casino at Aqueduct. But negotiations over where to locate other casinos are far from settled and could throw a wrench into Genting's plans.

Genting's "racino" at Aqueduct includes two floors with thousands of video lottery terminals, which are similar to slot machines. If casino gaming were legalized, Genting could potentially add Las Vegas-like table games and slot machines on an upper floor or replace some of the lottery terminals below.

New York has higher gambling taxes than most other states. Racino operators get to keep about a third of their revenue. People familiar with the talks said Genting is trying to negotiate a lower tax rate.

Genting's agreement with the state also proposes up to 3,000 hotel rooms with the convention center—a project it dubbed the New York International Convention and Exhibition Center, or NICE.

Genting officials said they hoped to complete the first 2.6 million-square-foot phase of the project by 2014 at the earliest, with construction of hotel rooms slated to begin in November 2015.

It envisions adding more convention space in a second phase, building on a 22-acre space to the east that's currently owned by the Port Authority. The authority would have to lease Genting the land with the approval of the state's franchise oversight board.

The Queens convention center would largely replace the Jacob K. Javits Center on Manhattan's West Side, which Mr. Cuomo described as obsolete and too small. The Javits site could then be redeveloped near the Hudson Yards project.

Obstacles loom over the project. The price tag is steep, financing for large construction projects remains tight and the convention industry is struggling. Genting said it would work with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to fund uninterrupted subway service between Midtown Manhattan and the proposed convention center—a bid to alleviate concerns over the site's remote location.

It's not clear what such service would look like. In the 1980s, the MTA operated the "Train to the Plane," which ran along the A line and stopped in Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn before running nonstop to Howard Beach, where passengers transferred to a shuttle bus to JFK Airport. But that service lost money, drew complaints from people in neighborhoods that were skipped and was ultimately discontinued.

In addition, with ridership higher now than it was in the 1980s, the MTA runs more trains overall, making it harder for a convention center express to avoid getting stuck behind regular A trains.

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Old January 6th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #828
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on roberts first picture could someone pinpoint where abouts the hudson yards is
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Old January 6th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #829
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Roughly speaking, the Yards are where the piers are sticking out on the right side of Manhattan.

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Old January 6th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #830
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on roberts first picture could someone pinpoint where abouts the hudson yards is
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Old January 7th, 2012, 05:24 AM   #831
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Old January 7th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #832
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You forgot Torre Verre and 225 W57th, both of which are 300m+ towers that should start rising in 2012. Also, 15 Penn should start rising in 2 to 3 years.

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Old January 7th, 2012, 06:03 AM   #833
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No, No... I just put some reference points, and some construction projects to have a better idea of where they are. If I were to put each proposed project in New York, this picture would be full of names...

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Old January 7th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #834
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That could be better.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #835
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How about this?

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Old January 7th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #836
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Lol. I prefer the areal shot, which puts everything in perspective.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 03:18 PM   #837
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Thank you everybody robert isnt 15 penn being cancelled as the owner is considering making improvements to the building they already have.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #838
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Thank you everybody robert isnt 15 penn being cancelled as the owner is considering making improvements to the building they already have.
No. It's being built.
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uh.. when?
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Old January 7th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #840
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Good to hear about plans to move Javits Center! That makes the west side development even more interesting. It's incredible to think about how many people can work and live in that area which is pretty large. This whole development will bring up the total Manhattan density up significantly! Manhattan residential density is now about the same as Paris', but will increase where Paris' density can't. Up to over 30.000/km2 maybe?
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