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Old February 18th, 2012, 07:09 PM   #981
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Great new renders, thanks for posting them here.
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Old February 18th, 2012, 09:03 PM   #982
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Oh man....... Related really nailed this. This is such an amazing project. From what we've seen I have literally zero complaints, of any magnitude at all. Bravo Mr. Ross, this project is a masterpiece!
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Old February 19th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #983
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Downright amazing!
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Old February 19th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #984
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How would you like to work in that building with the missing wall? Yikes!!!
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Old February 19th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #985
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Old February 19th, 2012, 08:37 PM   #986
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Oh man....... Related really nailed this. This is such an amazing project. From what we've seen I have literally zero complaints, of any magnitude at all. Bravo Mr. Ross, this project is a masterpiece!
Of course, everyone agrees that the Current yards are a dump, there are no "historical" biuldings or landmarks that people can complain about, it's not too close to the Empire State Building ( 5-6 avenues is longer then you think), the 7 line is going there anyway, and it's just beautiful.

The Hudson yards is pretty much a perfect project in my eyes. However, the only thing I might be concerned is the new load of traffic that will be in the west side, with all those people going in and out.

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Does anyone know if there will be some sort of mall or plaza at the yards? I'd love to have another mall 3 blocks away from my Building.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 08:45 PM   #987
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Old February 19th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #988
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Yeah that's Columbus Circle from another Related building the Time Warner Center, and the third photo from the bottom is also not a Hudson Yards render but of existing parks.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #989
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Of course, everyone agrees that the Current yards are a dump, there are no "historical" biuldings or landmarks that people can complain about, it's not too close to the Empire State Building ( 5-6 avenues is longer then you think), the 7 line is going there anyway, and it's just beautiful.

The Hudson yards is pretty much a perfect project in my eyes. However, the only thing I might be concerned is the new load of traffic that will be in the west side, with all those people going in and out.

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Does anyone know if there will be some sort of mall or plaza at the yards? I'd love to have another mall 3 blocks away from my Building.
There will be a huge mall, like at the TWC, but a lot bigger. I believe, as per the brochure, that it will have 1m sf. In addition to that, there will be a huge cinema, supermarket (probably Whole Foods, which also is at the TWC), and, I'm sure that there will be additional restaurants and retail in the ground floor of the residential towers. This, together with the stunning greenspaces depicted above, is why I believe that this is a much nicer project than Manhhatan West, and it offers cheaper office space. I can't see why anyone would go to MW over the HY.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #990
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There will be a huge mall, like at the TWC, but a lot bigger. I believe, as per the brochure, that it will have 1m sf. In addition to that, there will be a huge cinema, supermarket (probably Whole Foods, which also is at the TWC), and, I'm sure that there will be additional restaurants and retail in the ground floor of the residential towers. This, together with the stunning greenspaces depicted above, is why I believe that this is a much nicer project than Manhhatan West, and it offers cheaper office space. I can't see why anyone would go to MW over the HY.
Lol, Robert, are you on Related's rolls?

HY's a much better mixed use project, which is a central theme of the cluster concepts that I work on. However, it has a limited stock of office space. There is a lot more demand out there than that, plus as you once explained yourself, prestige tenants like naming rights so that means only 2-3 at the Yards. Wait till the Javits parcel opens up!
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #991
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Don't forget that many of the old buildings on Madison have a lot of air rights and will be redeveloped. I'm not happy about that because they're classic prewar towers.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #992
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I walked by on 19 Feb 2012 and saw construction equipment on the part of the site where the south tower will start rising this year.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #993
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Same. More drilling seen and there's a mobile crane present.
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Hopefully I can get a few snaps on Tuesday!
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Old February 20th, 2012, 12:57 PM   #995
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Sounds good!
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Lol, Robert, are you on Related's rolls?

HY's a much better mixed use project, which is a central theme of the cluster concepts that I work on. However, it has a limited stock of office space. There is a lot more demand out there than that, plus as you once explained yourself, prestige tenants like naming rights so that means only 2-3 at the Yards. Wait till the Javits parcel opens up!

The decision to move the Javitz hasn't been made. They have no even voted casino gambling into law yet in the state !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The related brochure was pretty stunning (I'll spare you my complaints about socioeconomic homogeneity and globally overreplicated commercial and landscape architecture and what I see as the slow death of a certain intangible New York-ness), but I still have two issues with connectivity, that are related:

- Why do 31st and 32nd Streets, or at least one of them, not connect between 10th and 11th Avenues or to West Side Highway, but rather terminate on the west end in what look like sort of high-end cul-de-sacs and in a glorified porte cochere in front of the retail podium/mall at the east end? The very attractive plaza and fountain centerpieces are essentially cut off from everything east of 11th avenue.

- It appears that there is no retail that faces directly onto or in any case has a primary frontage on 10th Avenue. It seems like this would have the effect of creating a three-block dead zone on 10th from 30th to 33rd, with, from the renderings, what looks like a 6-story stone wall along almost the entire length of the podium facing the avenue.

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This seems like not great urbanism for a project whose remainder appears so carefully designed.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 03:10 AM   #998
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The related brochure was pretty stunning (I'll spare you my complaints about socioeconomic homogeneity and globally overreplicated commercial and landscape architecture and what I see as the slow death of a certain intangible New York-ness), but I still have two issues with connectivity, that are related:

- Why do 31st and 32nd Streets, or at least one of them, not connect between 10th and 11th Avenues or to West Side Highway, but rather terminate on the west end in what look like sort of high-end cul-de-sacs and in a glorified porte cochere in front of the retail podium/mall at the east end? The very attractive plaza and fountain centerpieces are essentially cut off from everything east of 11th avenue.

- It appears that there is no retail that faces directly onto or in any case has a primary frontage on 10th Avenue. It seems like this would have the effect of creating a three-block dead zone on 10th from 30th to 33rd, with, from the renderings, what looks like a 6-story stone wall along almost the entire length of the podium facing the avenue.

As in this image:

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This seems like not great urbanism for a project whose remainder appears so carefully designed.
The building behind is so ugly that walking along there shopping wouldn't be that pleasant.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 03:33 AM   #999
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There are worse streetscapes in the city.
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The building behind is so ugly that walking along there shopping wouldn't be that pleasant.
Brookfield owns that building, and the site has 2.5m sf of air rights. It will be gone within 15 years.
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